How to know the true God

I said earlier that it appears that there may be a distinct difference in overt actions by God before and after Christ.

But even given events like the parting of the Red Sea, only a tiny percentage of people ever saw an event like that.

Why are there exceptions to the 'no proof' rule? I don't know

free will is not the prime directive or object of this exercise.

@Leadfoot Quote:
"I said earlier that it appears that there may be a distinct difference in overt actions by God before and after Christ."


Yes you did say that. I then asked you to cite something to support what you said, and you have not done so.

Leadfoot Quote:
"free will is not the prime directive or object of this exercise."


Doesn't have to be the prime directive of the exercise to be a fact.

After Christ leaving - None of the above.

Clarify this for me. Are you convinced of this fact yourself or are you arguing someone else's position?

If you are saying that free will means that no life will be allowed to be cut short, that would mean God would have to prevent all deaths not caused by old age.

The resurrection of Jesus is the Christian religious belief that, after being put to death, Jesus rose again from the dead. It is the central tenet of Christian theology and part of the Nicene Creed: "On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures".[1]

In the New Testament, after the Romans crucified Jesus, he was anointed and buried in a new tomb by Joseph of Arimathea but God raised him from the dead[2] and he appeared to many people over a span of forty days before he ascended into heaven, to sit at the right hand of God.[3]

[Mt 28:19]

Paul the Apostle declared that "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures".(1 Corinthians 15:3–4) The chapter states that such a belief in both the death and resurrection of Christ is of central importance to the Christian faith: "And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain."(1 Cor 15:14)[4] Paul further asserted "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied."(1 Cor 15:17–19)

The question is not who was responsible for the conditions leading up to the flood. The question is who was responsible for the flood. The god was responsible for the flood. So, your theory that the assurance that God will not interfere in our choices is essential to our quality of free will is proven invalid by virtue of the god's deadly response to the free will actions of the humans.

Like many, you would prefer choices to be free of consequence.

You have free will to decide to jump off a cliff; but don't expect God to provide a soft landing.

Noah spent a great deal of time warning his fellow humans.

Your analogy about free will and jumping off a cliff stinks. Give it another try.

I've said numerous times in this thread that I'm not talking about lives being cut short by virtue of human interactions and confrontations. I'm talking about the free will of humans being violated by virtue of the god's interference. Surely you see the difference.

Leadfoot Quote:
"After Christ leaving - None of the above."


I recall reading something about Jesus appearing to many after his death. That doesn't sound like miracle material to you?

To put it as simply as is possible, free will is the freedom to choose what you believe. That was not interfered with.

They chose what to believe right up until they died, just like everyone else.

I guess that's what being God allows you to do.

I guess that's what being God allows you to do.