Bush: Now Wouldn't Admit Himself Into Yale

Re: Bush: Now Wouldn't Admit Himself Into Yale


Yah. Right.

He would have to make a joke out of it because there really isn't anything one can take seriously from this man.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Anyways there's nothing wrong with Nassau Community College.

Just curious, but has anyone claimed that Bush got into Yale on a legacy exception? Anyone got a citation that purports to offer evidence of same?

Look at the guy.

I just assume that he did, because of his complete lack of any communication and or articulation skills.

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The president never released his high-school grades from Andover -- an elite New England prep school that his father had also attended -- or his SAT scores. But several years ago, The New Yorker got hold of Bush's Yale records and discovered that he scored a 566 on the verbal SAT and a 640 on the math SAT -- 180 points below the median score for his Yale classmates.

From what is known about Bush's academic performance at Andover, it is doubtful that he would have been admitted to Yale unless his father (at the time a Texas businessman running for the U.S. Senate in a race he eventually lost) and grandfather (Prescott Bush, a former Republican U.S. senator who represented Connecticut from 1952 to 1962) had been Yalies (from, respectively, the classes of 1948 and 1917). In fact, as a student, Bush studied in the Yale library's Prescott Walker Bush Memorial Wing.

Back then, Yale's student body was disproportionately made up of white, upper-class students from the nation's most elite prep schools. But without a Yale legacy, even a student from the most select private high school needed excellent grades and SAT scores to get in. Like other Ivy League colleges, Yale at the time had its own criteria for "diversity." It looked for students with strong athletic abilities or special skills such as musical or theatrical talent, as well as students from different parts of the country. These non-legacy students had to meet Yale's basic academic standards, of course, though the college no doubt rejected plenty of one-dimensional students who may have had higher grades and SAT scores but lacked other qualities Yale was looking for. (At the time, however, Yale made little effort to recruit minorities. In the fall of 1964, there were only 28 African-American students out of 4,093 undergraduates.)

Other than being a legacy, Bush had no qualities that would have gotten him into Yale. Had he been a National Merit Scholar finalist, an outstanding athlete or actor or editor of the Andover newspaper, or had he perhaps organized his fellow students to tutor underprivileged kids, we probably would know by now. In fact, he was a mediocre student -- he never made the honor roll -- and demonstrated no particularly outstanding talents to warrant being admitted to Yale. He was head cheerleader during his senior year, organized the school's stickball league and played baseball, basketball and football. But, unlike his father, who was an outstanding baseball player, W. was not a star athlete, and certainly not good enough to be recruited by Yale's coaches. Perhaps Yale was looking for students from west Texas to add some cultural and regional diversity, but, if so, why accept a kid from Midland, Texas, who had attended prep school in Massachusetts?

do a quick google search - it's all over the place

linkSeems Ted Kennedy was also a legacy admission.


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Whacks of this sort of thing. I think Gore was also a legacy admission somewhere. It's the silver spoon way to go. Or was.

ehBeth - With respect, two unsupported statements made in two clearly anti-Bush opinion pieces are not evidence, any more than one person's assertion that Kerry is a waffler proves he's made of pancake flour.

Yale has set, specific criteria for admission. Dubya either met those on his own merits or didn't, and that should be a matter of record. Can anybody cite that record?

I consider it quite likely that Bush got in on a legacy deferrment, but I do not consider it proven simply because his detractors claim it.

scrat you can't prove a lot of things you nonetheless know are true ya know......are you guys playing this weekend?

Yale refuses to release its records or explain its admissions decisions (and, I believe, it is legally prohibited from doing so without a student's permission). Bush, likewise, has refused to release his records. So if you're insisting on documentary evidence that Bush got into Yale solely as a legacy admission, Scrat, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. On the other hand, the fact that his SAT scores and his prep school grades fell well below the average for his incoming freshman class is, I think, strong circumstantial evidence.

Any doubts could be quickly dispelled by Bush authorizing the release of his educational records -- unless, of course, they've been lost or destroyed by the Pentagon.

maybe Barney ate them....with some Guldens Brown and a nice cold bee :wink: r....

"Me and Dubya have a deal: he cleans up my messes and I clean up his messes -- if you get my drift."

I think people don't bother to try and prove things they already believe because they run the risk of finding out that what they believe to be true is wrong. It's much safer to keep quoting other people who are quoting other people. Whether we're talking about Bush, Kerry, or anyone else, I like to try to be clear about the difference between what I can reasonably claim to know, what I believe, and the rest of which I remain uncommitted.

We've got a guitarist out in Sturgis for the big Harley rally until next week. Our 1st birthday bash for the band is going to be Aug 21 at Ruckus in Raleigh.

do your own search, Scrat - it's all over the place. i picked one of them since it seemed to 'pick' equally on republican and democratic politicians. What I can pretty much guarantee is that you're not going to find much saying Bush got into any school based on his marks. Not even republican sources. I tried for about an hour yesterday to get proof of his academic qualifications. About the best I could find was something that said he got a high average mark in Japanese.

ehBeth - It is not my responsibility to find support for the statements of others; it is my responsibility to offer support for my own statements. Were the evidence really so readily available, I am sure you would revel in the chance to show it to me. Your "go prove it for yourself" response is typical, and suggests that you lack any real evidence to support this point of view.

You are, of course, welcome to set your standards for what you "know" or "believe" as low as you choose. I will continue to set a higher standard.