@maxdancona,
Actually I am not thinking of Hillary when I am speaking of Bernie, Hillary is my second choice, but there is difference in fighting same sex marriage and fighting health care policies. To deny someone rights based on their sexual orientation is discrimination. Health Care is different but I am not sure I am articulate enough to explain it. I see health care in the same category as I do other services such as roads and highways, public schools and things like that. It is more a fiscal decision than a civil rights issue.
Hillary has said the present health care system needs to be improved, I believe she will work to make that happen despite any of her ties to insurance companies. Nearly all politicians receive donations, that does not translate to their decision making process unless there is proof to their contrary.
@revelette2,
Hillary will preside over the insurance takeover that is going on now. She says whatever the polls point her to say these days, but I dismiss her as an innovator. Sanders is the only candidate seeking to actually improve healthcare.
@edgarblythe,
I accept you feel that way, however, I do not see Hillary in the same light, nor do I think Sanders is the only who has interest in the seeking to improve health care. Nor do I think his plan will succeed.
@maxdancona,
I want a president who will be willing to drop their high flying socialist ideas in order to get passed laws in congress that will help all the citizens. Even the democrat congressmen are not going to go for socialist ideas. Congress has been cutting taxes ever since it became republican so tell me where is Bernie going to get the money for universal health care and sending every kid to collage and all the other good ideas he has. Can he afford to give up his proposals and be elected to a second term?
@maxdancona,
This is what we have been doing for the last 65 years. Dropping the cost of government on our kids while we live high on the hog.
@revelette2,
This is a weak argument for two reasons.
1) "Medicare for all" is the name of the program. This doesn't give the details. Attacking the name of a program without considering the details of the actual program isn't valid. A similar system in Canada works quite well... and we should be comparing Bernie's plan to that system.
2) The alternative isn't that great either. Right now, even with the ACA, we have small hospitals closing and premiums for many people rising. There are increasing number of people who now have healthcare, but are too far from providers for them to use it.
@maxdancona,
Well, then, perhaps he should call it what it is, free health care for all. Sound too socialist for conservatives huh? I am not familiar with Canada's plan, nor I am familiar with the details in Sander's plan. I would need to study it, if it can be found?
I hardly think the way Sander's plans to pay for the plan would appeal conservative and even democrat business owners.
Quote:Here's a look at five key proposals from the senator's plan.
1. New payroll taxes
Sanders's plan would increase taxes on business owners. Instead of the current tax rate of 2.9 percent paid jointly by employees and employers for Medicare as part of payroll taxes, his plan would increase the rate to 6.2 percent. Hudak says that in order to pay for the increased payroll taxes, employers would likely pass the costs along to employees in the form of smaller wage increases, or even wage freezes.
2. Changes to employer-provided health care
The plan would close the tax loophole that allows employers to deduct the cost of health insurance plans for their employees. While most people would presumably not need employer-sponsored plans, the deduction would disappear for business owners who might want to offer alternatives to federal plans.
3. Individual taxes
Households would pay a 2.2 percent tax to fund premiums, with exemptions for low-income families. Middle-income workers are likely to feel the bite of the premium tax the most. "They are already in competition with other countries for wages, and this could be a problem," says Jim Kessler, senior vice president for policy and co-founder of Third Way, a centrist think tank.
4. More progressive income taxes
To raise revenue for the plan, Sanders would increase the top tax rate for those who earn between $500,000 and $2 million to 43 percent, up from the current top rate of 39.5 percent. Rates would rise to a top level of 52 percent for those earning income of $10 million or more.
5. Capital gains and estate tax changes
An additional source of funding would come from increasing the rate on capital gains, which is currently around 15 percent. Rates would go up by an unspecified amount for those making more than $250,000 annually. The richest Americans would pay a progressive tax on estates valued at more than $3.5 million, rather than the current 40 percent rate.
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Again I say, why would republicans pass this plan when we barely passed the ACA when it goes against all their principles?
@revelette2,
We want to have a president who will be upfront, honest about what we need, and work toward goal of single payer health care.
Electing Bernie Sanders doesn't guarantee that we will have Single Payer healthcare during his administration. Electing Hillary will guarantee that we won't even try.
We are electing Bernie Sanders for his integrity, his consistent focus addressing the economic injustice and the fact that he isn't being funded by Wall Street. A president doesn't have the power to do everything. A good president will use the power he or she has to do the right thing for the people he or she represents.
That is what the Bernie Sanders offers.
@maxdancona,
I haven't said so, but I should. I really like what you're made of.
@Lash,
Thank you Lash. I haven't heard that much around here. I like having you around too.
@maxdancona,
So even though you know he is lying about his ability to get universal health care you will still vote for him?
As noted above, Medicare doesn't pay for everything. In general what Medicare doesn't pay for, a Medicare Advantage Plan ( through an Insurance company) must be bought.
Another aspect of Medicare , often ignored by many individuals, is the fact that many physicians refuse to take Medicare patients, because the fees paid to the physicians by the Government for treatment of Medicare patients are too low.
Moreover, many physicians will not take either Medicare or any health insurance as payment for care.. They take only cash.
There is no law in the US that states that physicians must take Medicare patients, just as there is no law that states that physicians must treat those without insurance, or those living in poverty-stricten urban areas infested with rats, guns and crime.
If there is a plan to have Medicare for all in the US, the physicians will be paid by the US government and will become federal employees, if they decide to continue treating Medicare patients. If specialists become medical Federal employees, do you really think the Government will be willing to pay them the annual salaries ( $350,000-$600,000+) they usually receive in today's market? I don't.
Today, there is a growing shortage of quality physicians in the US. With the installation of a univeral single payer plan ( Medicare) for treatment of the elderly and others, the shortage of physicians will become even more extreme.
The absolute number of physicians isn't decreasing today but the total number of patients seeking medical care has increased dramatically because of Obamacare.
Even with Obamacare, a significant number of individuals still receive most of their medical care via the ER at a very high cost.
Medicare for all is not the way to cure the problems associated with the provision of health care today in the US.
Moreover, stop and think...do the very rich receive the same sort of health care that is received by those in the lower or middle classes, even today with Obamacare? Of course not!
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
So even though you know he is lying about his ability to get universal health care you will still vote for him?
I wouldn't .I'd vote for Trump, before I voted for Sanders.
@Miller,
Miller wrote:
RABEL222 wrote:
So even though you know he is lying about his ability to get universal health care you will still vote for him?
I wouldn't .I'd vote for Trump, before I voted for Sanders.
Who would you vote for if it were Trump vs. Clinton?
Or perhaps more interesting Fiorina vs. Clinton?
@maxdancona,
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember once Miller said she was for Clinton. Think she was in 2008. Why does it matter? Her health care views are pretty logical but some of her personal views are disgusting, on this thread in particular comes to mind.