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The truth about Kerry in Nam coming to light

 
 
Karzak
 
Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 10:25 am
http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd1.htm


"Kerry earned his Silver Star by killing a lone, fleeing, teenage Viet Cong in a loincloth."

"And if Kerry's superiors had known the truth at the time, they would never have recommended him for the medal."

The book also claims to detail how Kerry personally ordered the slaughter of small animals at a small hamlet along the Song Bo De River.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:07 pm
It certainly is McCain is supportive of Kerry's time in Vietnam. He actually states that these ads are ''dishonest and dishonorable''. ''I deplore this kind of politics,'' McCain said. ''I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. I think George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.''

Snopes also has this information as opinion, not true or false and lists several positive remarks about Kerry serving Vietnam.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:16 pm
Your really grasping at straws now, Karzak.

Say, have you been able to find anything negative about how he led his boat while under fire to rescue a fellow soldier who was being shot at in the water?
I'm sure the "V" for valor on his medal regarding that episode sticks in your throat like a broken chicken bone.

Kerry= war hero
Bush= coward with connections

By the way, remember that it was Bush who checked the box that he "does not want to go to Vietnam". When it comes to 'Nam, Bush can't hold a candle to Kerry. PERIOD.
But please keep bringing it up. It just makes Bush look worse.

By the way, can I take a look at Bush's medals from 'Nam? Oh, right... he didn't go!
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swolf
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:17 pm
Re: The truth about Kerry in Nam coming to light
Karzak wrote:
http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd1.htm


"Kerry earned his Silver Star by killing a lone, fleeing, teenage Viet Cong in a loincloth."

"And if Kerry's superiors had known the truth at the time, they would never have recommended him for the medal."

The book also claims to detail how Kerry personally ordered the slaughter of small animals at a small hamlet along the Song Bo De River.


What it sounds like is the rich kid going to Nam to get his ticket punched for running for political offices in later life, and then he discovers he gets to shoot people ("Hey, COOL, I get to whack people, just like in the Lone Ranger and Have Gun, Will Travel! Maybe six months or a year in this place won't be so bad...)

The problem seems to be that an enlisted man might could have gotten away with that sort of thing while, in officers, apparently, they wanted just a little bit more judgement than that.
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Karzak
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:20 pm
LOL, when faced with the facts that Kerry didn't serve honorably all silly libs can do is to point out that Bush was smart enough not to go in the first place.

Snopes is liberally biased BTW, and who gives a rats behind what McCain thinks?
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swolf
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:20 pm
JustanObserver wrote:


Kerry= war hero
Bush= coward with connections


W has flown jet fighters; have you?

I mean, the only safe thing anybody can do with a jet fighter is stay away from it. Your typical cocain-snorting democrat wouldn't live ten seconds in one.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:22 pm
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W has flown jet fighters; have you?

I mean, the only safe thing anybody can do with a jet fighter is stay away from it. Your typical cocain-snorting democrat wouldn't live ten seconds in one.


What an amazingly stupid response. You should be proud/ashamed.

Cycloptichorn
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swolf
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:25 pm
"Unfit for Command" is apparently the #1 bestseller on Amazon.com before it's release. The gigolo is toast.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:27 pm
That's president Gigolo to you swolf.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:37 pm
Karzak wrote:
LOL, when faced with the facts that Kerry didn't serve honorably all silly libs can do is to point out that Bush was smart enough not to go in the first place.

Snopes is liberally biased BTW, and who gives a rats behind what McCain thinks?
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Apparently George Bush since he and McCain are going to be together a lot in the coming days and McCain is going to be "stumping" for him. It seems that they are keeping Cheney out west and out of the limelight and are going to use McCain. Why McCain allows it I have no idea.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:42 pm
Karzak wrote:
LOL, when faced with the facts that Kerry didn't serve honorably all silly libs can do is to point out that Bush was smart enough not to go in the first place.


Oh, I see. When Clinton didn't go, that was bad. When Bush didn't go, that's because he was "smart".

/my head just exploded from the hypocracy overload.

swolf wrote:
W has flown jet fighters; have you?


Actually, no. I have gone skydiving a number of times, boxed in the Golden Gloves, and swam with sharks...does that make me macho? Who cares? I know I don’t.

However, if Bush flew jet fighters over VIETNAM, that would count for something…

swolf wrote:
I mean, the only safe thing anybody can do with a jet fighter is stay away from it. Your typical cocain-snorting democrat wouldn't live ten seconds in one.


That response speaks volumes about your intellect. If you’re any older than 17 or 18, I’d be very disappointed. Anyway, I wouldn’t bring up “Cocaine” when trying to defend Bush if I were you, for obvious reasons.

Lastly, are you implying that the typical Democrat snorts cocaine? …uh…what?

Seriously, Swolf, gimme a break.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:46 pm
I can't wait to see the next revelation re Kerry in Vietnam. No doubt one of our resident True Believers will bring it to our attention. Let' see:

"Kerry only murdered women and children in Vietnam."

or

"Kerry never even went to Vietnam. Fraud revealed."

You guys are truly pathetic...
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Redheat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 12:55 pm
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WASHINGTON - Republican Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry (news - web sites)'s military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.


The White House declined.


"It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, comparing the anti-Kerry ad to tactics in his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush (news - web sites).


The 60-second ad features Vietnam veterans who accuse the Democratic presidential nominee of lying about his decorated Vietnam War record and betraying his fellow veterans by later opposing the conflict.


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Now will McCain continue to be the Republican golden boy? or will he go back to being the shithouse?


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When the 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' launched its campaign against John Kerry 10 days ago, leadership and guidance were provided by Republican activists and presidential friends from Texas -- notably Houston attorney John E. O'Neill and corporate media consultant Merrie Spaeth.

"On closer inspection, the ostensibly nonpartisan 'Swift Boat Vets' seem to have another pair of significant sponsors with deep and long-standing Republican connections in Missouri. Both are officers of Gannon International, a St. Louis conglomerate that does lots of overseas business in, of all places, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

"Ties to Gannon can be traced via the Swift Boat Vets Web site ... On April 14, the site was registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, Gannon's information technology manager, at 11301 Olive Boulevard in St. Louis, the firm's headquarters address. Although Waterman wouldn't discuss why he had set up the Web site, he didn't deny that his boss, Gannon president and CEO William Franke, had asked him to do so.

"'The information about my client is confidential,' said Waterman. He acknowledged knowing, however, that his boss Franke is a Navy veteran who served in Vietnam on swift boats. Gannon vice president Stephen D. Hayes, who oversees the company's office in Alexandria, Va., is likewise a swift boat veteran who first met Franke when they served together in the Mekong Delta."



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But this group's political connections make clear that its agenda is to target" U.S. presidential election, 2004."

"Conason identifies "veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth" as being behind the group. Spaeth, "listed as the group's media contact," is the widow of Tex Lezar, "eternal Kerry antagonist and Dallas attorney" John E. O'Neill's law partner.

The group's founder is "retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as 'the classic body-count guy' who 'wanted hooches destroyed and people killed.'" Hoffmann "first gained notoriety in Vietnam as a strutting, cigar-chewing Navy captain. But it was O'Neill, by now a familiar figure on the Kerry-bashing circuit, who came to Spaeth for assistance," according to Conason.

"Until now," he adds, "Hoffmann has been best known as the commanding officer whose obsession with body counts and 'scorekeeping' may have provoked the February 1969 massacre of Vietnamese civilians at Thanh Phong by a unit led by Bob Kerrey -- the Medal of Honor winner who lost a leg in Nam, became a U.S. senator from Nebraska and now sits on the 9-11 Commission."

Conason says that Spaeth is not "as well known as" Karen P. Hughes but yet is "among the most experienced and best connected Republican communications executives. During the Reagan administration she served as director of the White House Office of Media Liaison, where she specialized in promoting "news" items that boosted President Reagan to TV stations around the country. While living in Washington she met and married Lezar, a Reagan Justice Department lawyer who ran for lieutenant governor of Texas in 1994 with George W. Bush, then the party's candidate for governor. (Lezar lost; Bush won.)"

Conason concludes that "Arguments about the war in Vietnam seem destined to continue forever. For now, however, the lingering bitterness and ambiguity of those days provide smear material against an antiwar war hero with five medals on behalf of a privileged Guardsman with a dubious duty record. The president's Texas allies -- whose animus against his Democratic challenger dates back to the Nixon era -- are now deploying the same techniques and personnel they used to attack McCain's integrity four years ago. Bush's 'independent' supporters would apparently rather talk about the Vietnam quagmire than about his deadly incompetence in Iraq."


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So what you have is a 527 being used (as the Republicans work diligently to stop any "liberal" 527 groups) that is made up and funded by people connected to Bush and Nixon. None of them actually served with Kerry but feel free to speak for the men who did.

Everyday I think there will be a line the Republicans won't cross, I try to hold onto the hope that they possess at least of shred even if barely visble of shame. Yet each day I am disappointed for they seem to be void of shame or conscience for that matter principle. These are the people who want to lead this nation. I have to wonder, do they honestly want to create a nation as void of these elements as they seem to be? God help us all.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 01:13 pm
Karzak - McCain is a Republican, but he still has the balls to tell it like it is - he recognizes that Kerry served honorably. I bet you would care if McCain said something against Kerry, suddenly McCain thoughts would be of utmost importance to you. If anything McCain is conservatively biased. McCain by the way is the chairman of Bush's campaign in Arizona. So President Bush does give a rat's behind about what McCain thinks.

What about the Drudge report which is conservatively biased? Snopes by the way does not take a stance on whether these thoughts are true or not. It states that it is opinion on those soldiers making such statements. It states both sides of the issue. If snopes was so liberally biased then why do they state many falsehoods written about Bush?

If you do not give a rat's behind about what McCain thinks, then similarly who gives a rat's behind about any of the soldiers, who by the way were not in the same boat led by Kerry, that the Drudge report quotes?
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Karzak
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 01:36 pm
JustanObserver wrote:


Oh, I see. When Clinton didn't go, that was bad. When Bush didn't go, that's because he was "smart".



ROTFLMAO, Bush didn't flee the country like Clinton, and Bush did serve in the military, unlike clinton.

You libs are a funny lot.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 02:00 pm
Karzak wrote:
ROTFLMAO, Bush didn't flee the country like Clinton, and Bush did serve in the military, unlike clinton.


I'm sure if Clinton's family was anywhere as powerful as the Bush's, and had those kinds of connections, Clinton would have joined and "mysteriously" be bumped to the head of the National Guard list, where he too would have valiantly protected Texas from the VC.

Wake up, K. Its not a "lib" thing. Its a "truth" thing.
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Karzak
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 02:08 pm
Linkat wrote:

If you do not give a rat's behind about what McCain thinks, then similarly who gives a rat's behind about any of the soldiers, who by the way were not in the same boat led by Kerry, that the Drudge report quotes?


Because they were there, eyewitnesses.

McCain wasn't there.
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swolf
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 02:20 pm
For what it's worth, I don't think anybody is calling the gigolo chicken; they're calling him a flake.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 02:21 pm
They were there Karzak, but they were not in the boat with Kerry. There were others that were in the boat with Kerry and they have positive things to say. So why do you give a rat's behind about those that were not in Kerry's boat, but yet cannot even admit that others closer to the action have the opposite to say?
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Karzak
 
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Reply Thu 5 Aug, 2004 03:30 pm
Linkat wrote:
They were there Karzak, but they were not in the boat with Kerry. There were others that were in the boat with Kerry and they have positive things to say. So why do you give a rat's behind about those that were not in Kerry's boat, but yet cannot even admit that others closer to the action have the opposite to say?


Because they were all togather on the same mission, they all saw what they saw.

Eyewitness, look it up.
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