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Paul Ryan Announces He Won't Work With President

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 05:58 pm
@Setanta,
Paull Ryan wrote:
Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press, the new Speaker of the House promised Chuck Todd that he would not introduce or advance “comprehensive immigration reform” while Barack Obama remained president. Obama, Ryan said, had been “proven untrustworthy on this issue” by trying “to go around Congress with an Executive Order to rewrite laws unilaterally.” As such, he could not be relied upon. “Presidents,” Ryan noted, “don’t write laws. Congress writes laws.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/426405/paul-ryan-obama-cant-be-trusted-immigration-reform-nro-staff


Let's look at what he actually said which is a far cry from playing the lunatic fringe.

This is a single topic and in no way indicates that there will bo no compromise on anything at all.

You guys (everyone in this thread) over react to these things.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 06:00 pm
@engineer,
You work towards a compromise if there is any chance that one is possible. Ryan has determined, with good reason, that one is not.

Oh Ryan will entertain overtures from the WH. His comment is posturing. Redmeat for both sides of the spectrum.

When Obama makes these sorts of statements, liberals swoon.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 06:06 pm
@McGentrix,
What issue do you think Ryan feels the President has "proven trustworthy" on? Exactly what area do you think Ryan feels he can negotiate with the White House? He's been in the chair for a few days and is already saying he won't discuss significant issues for the country. That's what he said. Did you read something different?
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 06:11 pm
@McGentrix,
No, i didn't overreact. Mr. Ryan has said that Mr. Obama is untrustworthy. Even if that were true--and one cannot assume it's true simply because Mr. Ryan says so--that's not how compromise and negotiation work. You don't spit on a man and then expect that he'll make a deal with you.

However, my remark was a response to Engineer's remark, and it is a general statement on my part about how the House--deathly afraid for their re-election prospects--has consistently played to the teabaggers and the rest of the right-wing lunatic fringe. So do me a favor and keep that "you guys" BS to yourself.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 08:39 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Government is required to do something. If no bills are passed there is no army, no justice system, no functioning at all.
Builder
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 08:41 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Government is required to do something. If no bills are passed there is no army, no justice system, no functioning at all.


That's bullshit. Local councils and trucking companies run the nation.

Congress are a bunch of thieves on the take. With less than ten percent approval, if they were a board of directors (they are) they would be replaced. Pronto.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 09:00 pm
@Builder,
You don't really have a clue about how the Federal government works, do you?
Builder
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 09:02 pm
@parados,
Quote:
You don't really have a clue about how the Federal government works, do you?


Do I really need to? Bribes mean criminals flock to Congress. That's what you get, when organised crime moves in. I doubt that you have a clue either, but there's no denying their disapproval rating.

And seriously, do you think any of these schmucks has a clue how local government works? Do you?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 09:15 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

What issue do you think Ryan feels the President has "proven trustworthy" on? Exactly what area do you think Ryan feels he can negotiate with the White House? He's been in the chair for a few days and is already saying he won't discuss significant issues for the country. That's what he said. Did you read something different?


Issue. A single issue that you guys have now blown into meaning that there will be absolutely no negotiations.

What has Obama done to make himself trustworthy? He already believes he is greater then the legislative branch when it comes to immigration and he refuses to have his law keepers uphold existing laws. There really is not trust there in terms of immigration issues.

We'll see what happens with the rest of the issues.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 09:17 pm
@Setanta,
Nope, you are part of the barking class on this issue. Get it? "barking" class? Laughing
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 09:53 pm
@McGentrix,
If Ryan's requirement to enter negotiations on an issue is for the President to be proven trustworthy, exactly what issues will they be negotiating on?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 10:01 pm
@parados,
But there is the 2nd amendment and unfettered gun ownership by any idiot who wants to own one for whatever reason.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 10:01 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

If Ryan's requirement to enter negotiations on an issue is for the President to be proven trustworthy, exactly what issues will they be negotiating on?


That's not what he said. He said Obama can't be trusted to negotiate immigration. Obama has said as much with his executive decisions. We'll see what else Obama can't be trusted with.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 10:12 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
Ryan announced that he is unwilling to work with the President on immigration because the President is "untrustworthy" on the issue. I assume that for Republicans the President is untrustworthy on every issue, so I take it nothing is going to get down between now and January 2017.

Well, relatively little will get done, but the main reason for that is because Mr. Obama frivolously wasted all of his second-term political capital in pointless attacks against the NRA, and now he has nothing left to drive a second-term agenda with.

This means that the only things which will get done are things that the Republicans also want to achieve.

There were Republicans who wanted to pass immigration reform, so that is something that might have been done, but Mr. Obama stomped all over them with his executive orders, so immigration reform is off the agenda now.

There are Republicans who want to pass large trade deals with Asia and Europe. Presuming that Mr. Obama can avoid burning bridges with those Republicans like he did with the immigration reform supporters, he'll likely see those trade deals passed.
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 10:13 pm
Dems should find this encouraging. Usually Republicans promise they're ready to look for common ground, and proceed to do everything but. Their narrative of unity and cooperation distracts you from how divisive their demands are. So maybe Ryan is planning to do the reverse of that. He's rattling his saber now, so that no one will notice the bipartisan lovefest that's on the way. Smile
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 04:14 am
@McGentrix,
It appears that you cannot think about what i said, but only apply your polemical bias. Sad, but true . . .
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roger
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 04:53 am
Might depend on what we mean by "work with". With Obama, I get the feeling that working with him means doing what he wants you to do.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 08:25 am
@Builder,
Local government isn't going to field a military capable of fighting off even a 3rd world country.
Local government isn't going to be able to provide interstate roads.

Much of what the federal government provides is funded for a year at a time. Failure to pass new funding means the government doesn't work.

Local government relies quite a bit on funding from the federal government from roads to education where the federal government often provides matching funds.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 08:27 am
@McGentrix,
He asked the legislature to pass immigration reform for years. They failed to act. So Obama is untrustworthy because he did his job and stepped in to do what he could when the legislature failed to do theirs?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2015 08:49 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

He asked the legislature to pass immigration reform for years. They failed to act. So Obama is untrustworthy because he did his job and stepped in to do what he could when the legislature failed to do theirs?


He didn't do his job, he did their job and that's not the way it's supposed to work. The wheel spins though. When Trump is making all his executive decisions just remember that Obama did the same thing and you were content to see it happen.
 

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