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Dems build cages for protesters...

 
 
swolf
 
Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 11:58 am
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040721/480/bx11407212244

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040721/capt.bx11407212244.protest_lawsuits_bx114.jpg

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An area designated for organized protests appears enclosed by mesh and chain link fencing near the site of the upcoming Democratic National Convention, in Boston, Wednesday, July 21, 2004. A new federal lawsuit has been filed against the city over the fenced-in protest area that has been called a 'demonstration zone,' and a 'free speech zone.' (AP Photo/Steven Senne)
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the reincarnation of suzy
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 12:52 pm
Yeah, real democratic, huh?
keep in mind, this is not the first time, though.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 12:55 pm
If protestors could contain themselves to non-violence, these things wouldn't be neccessary.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 12:58 pm
Damn protestors! I say hang them all.

Hey! How ya' doin', McGentrix?

Wanna go burn some Democrats?
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 01:23 pm
Now thats just sad.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 01:40 pm
If it's the DNC, who will the protestors be?
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the reincarnation of suzy
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 01:46 pm
Real world problems transcend party lines, McG. many of the protestors will be democrats who want to be heard.
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swolf
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 02:51 pm
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2004/07/22/judge_inspects_protest_zone/

Jonathan Saltzman, Boston Globe:

This is how democrats would treat a republican Michael Moore.

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US District Court Judge Douglas P. Woodlock walked under coils of razor wire and heavy black netting yesterday for a firsthand look at a ''free speech" protest zone across from the FleetCenter that prompted a lawsuit from activists who liken the space to a prison.


Razor wire... Didn't say anything about machinegun towers or pillboxes, probably didn't want to scare anybody too badly.
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George
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 03:20 pm
To be fair, this is the city's doing. I suspect that if the Republican convention were in town, the "Free Speech Zone" would be just the same.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 03:31 pm
only acceptable when bush does it right?
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 05:32 pm
The protestors are probably those protesting corporate power, which, alas is a problem affecting Democrats as well as the GOP.

As for the GOP, one need only look at all the trouble United For Peace And Justice had trying to stage an anti-war/empire march and rally a few weeks BEFORE the Sheep gather.
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the reincarnation of suzy
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 05:38 pm
"The protestors are probably those protesting corporate power, which, alas is a problem affecting Democrats as well as the GOP."

Right. It's an outrage that crosses party lines. Nobody should be allowed to do that to people who are engaged in civil disobedience. It almost defeats the whole purpose of free speech.
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 08:21 pm
Yeah, speech is free. Speech where someone might hear it is a different story.

Hey, suzy are on the same side on a political topic.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 08:29 pm
If they were non-violent and had some self-imposed parameters, these things wouldn't be necessary, IMO. Some of these wackos are dangerous.
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the reincarnation of suzy
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 09:08 pm
roger wrote:
Yeah, speech is free. Speech where someone might hear it is a different story.

Hey, suzy are on the same side on a political topic.


Smile
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 09:13 pm
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If they were non-violent and had some self-imposed parameters, these things wouldn't be necessary, IMO. Some of these wackos are dangerous.


Oh my god. We're doomed.
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Montana
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jul, 2004 10:01 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Damn protestors! I say hang them all.

Hey! How ya' doin', McGentrix?

Wanna go burn some Democrats?


LOL Laughing
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Brand X
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2004 05:20 am
None of you are on the right track, the cages are to protect the protestors!

Have you seen Ted, Dean or Gore lately, all three on the verge of snapping......totally unsafe.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2004 08:31 am
the reincarnation of suzy wrote:
Right. It's an outrage that crosses party lines. Nobody should be allowed to do that to people who are engaged in civil disobedience. It almost defeats the whole purpose of free speech.


swolf's continuing crusade against all things Democratic aside, the Bushies are the ones who came up with the idea of "free speech zones" (as if there were actually someplace in the USA that was NOT a free speech zone).

So let me observe that roger and I are in rare agreement again.

I'm not a fan of the measures being taken against protesters at the convention.

Having said that, I think that protesting conventions is rather silly (either the RNC or the DNC). Note that I'm not questioning anyone's right to do so. But both in terms of what protesters hope to achieve and what the message of protesting itself I really don't understand why the conventions are appropriate targets.

Conventions, though largely for show, are still a piece of the electoral process in this country. Protesting them is a bit like protesting polling places. No, they're not the same thing, but still conventions seem like an odd target for protests.

So, am I saying there should never be protests? Of course not. Protests serve a few purposes: to rally people around a cause and educate them, to bring attention to an issue, and, ultimately, to perhaps affect some sort of change. I thought the anti-war protests were highly appropriate precisely because there was a huge disconnect between public opinion before the war (with support for Bush's war, at best, garnering a slim majority of support), and the range of viewpoints presented by the media on the subject. The "anti-this-war" view, despite having broad support in the country, had been marginalized by the mainstream media. Mass protest was, therefore, a last resort way of getting the message out, of trying to remind the country and the media that the war did not actually have the universal support they were pretending it did.

But having said all of that, the right to stand on a public street corner and hold up a sign should be a right given far more respect and protection than it currently is. Security efforts which are there to discourage people from doing so are incredibly un-American. And therefore, perhaps protesting in these cases serves another purpose -- to reassert the right of protest itself.
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the reincarnation of suzy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jul, 2004 09:21 am
It is a Bush concoction, or rather, Ashcroft, probably, but I can't recall the specifics.
But they're not protesting the convention itself, so far as I know, but just the usual issues, and the convention is the perfect "stage" for such.
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