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What does it say on the top right corner

 
 
GRyan
 
Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2015 09:57 am
Could someone please translate from Latin to English whatever it says on the top right corner of this notoriously suggestive renaissance icon -- Maarten van Heemskerck - Phallic Man of Sorrows

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/304555993527053768/

(Some clicking is needed to find it and enlarge the image)
 
jespah
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2015 10:06 am
@GRyan,
Here's a larger image. Still pretty hard to read.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a4/49/8e/a4498e24281b094e54745a6c4eb71629.jpg
GRyan
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2015 10:09 am
@jespah,
Big Problem! In my viewfinder, your larger image totally cuts out the Latin in the top right corner. No joking, I would like to know what the Latin says.
jespah
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2015 10:28 am
@GRyan,
Hey, I'm just pasting in the image from Pinterest. You can see the Latin by scrolling to the right.

Wikipedia references (I think) this text, which doesn't provide the translation but provides other information.
Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2015 10:35 am
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/badoit/Ph-Jesus_zpswtd7geq6.jpg
GRyan
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2015 10:36 am
@jespah,
Maarten_van_Heemskerck did three paintings on the "man of sorrows" theme which were brought out of oblivion and made famous in our time as a result of being featured in this book: Steinberg, Leo. The Sexuality of Christ in Renaissance Art and in Modern Oblivion. (Chicago: University Of Chicago Press)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_Sorrows_(Maarten_van_Heemskerck)
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GRyan
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2015 10:37 am
@Tes yeux noirs,
Yes! That is an image of the text in question!
GRyan
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2015 04:11 pm
@GRyan,
This is my attempt at transcription using _ to indicate a mark I cannot even guess at:

NE-FLVXVS IRRITVS, SIT
NOSTRI CRVORIS-O
QVO-SANO-WLNVS
GENVS-BEOQ_-LAUS
TOSSVM-CAPVT-TOT-A
SPINIS-MANVS-HIAN
LATVS-PEDES-APER
COR-FEREV-MOVE
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ANNO-M-D-XXV

I get the last bit -- "YEAR 1525" -- which I happen to know is the year it was painted.

I'm hoping someone who reads Latin will correct the transcription. So actually, I have two requests. 1-transcription, 2-translation.

Your help would be very much appreciated, of course.



George
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 04:32 pm
@GRyan,
This is a tough one. Some of the words appear to be abbreviated. Some I
can't figure out at all.

The first part I think I have figured out.

NE-FLVXVS IRRITVS, SIT
NOSTRI CRVORIS

Ne fluxus irritus sit nostri cruoris.

Let not the flow of our blood be in vain.

The rest appears to be about the wounds of Christ.

The word WLNVS (vulnus) means wound.

I see the words for head (CAPVT --> caput), hands (MANVS --> manus),
side (LATVS --> latus), feet (PEDES --> pedes), and heart (COR --> cor).

The phrase TOT-A SPINIS (tot a spinis) means "from so many thorns".

More to come.
George
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2015 06:04 am
@George,
The words HIAN and APER may be abbreviations of the words hiantia and
apertura, which both mean "an opening".

These could mean the wounds in the side, hands and feet.
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George
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2015 05:41 am
O QVO-SANO-WLNVS (O quo sano vulnus) could be translated "Oh how I heal
the wound."

GENVS (genus) is "knee" and LAUS (laus) is "praise".

BEOQ_ has me completely baffled as does FEREV.

TOSSVM may be possum meaning "I am capable" or "I can".

MOVE (move) could be the imperative of moveo which would be the
command "move", "stir", or "disturb".

That's all I've got.
GRyan
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2015 03:11 pm
@George,
Brilliant! George, Thank you so much!
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GRyan
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2015 03:30 pm
@George,
"BEOQ_ has me completely baffled as does FEREV."

A mystery yet to be solved, perhaps.
George
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2015 07:03 pm
@GRyan,
GRyan wrote:

"BEOQ_ has me completely baffled as does FEREV."

A mystery yet to be solved, perhaps.

Yep.
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