Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 12:18 pm
THE 'ARE ONE' DELUSION
WE ARE ONE WITH CHRIST AND GOD AND HOLY SPIRIT
IF JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE OF THE ONENESS-THEN WE ARE GOD. NOT SO!
John 10:30
30 "I and My Father are one."
(NKJ)
John 17:22
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
1 Cor 12:12-14
12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-- whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-- and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
1 Cor 10:16-17
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Cor 3:7-11
7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Rom 12:5
5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
John 17:20-23
20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
John 10:29-30
29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
30 "I and My Father are one."
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Cor 6:17
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Matt 10:32-33
32 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
1 Cor 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Cor 11:3
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Rom 16:25-27
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.
1 Cor 1:10
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
Phil 3:16
16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
2 Cor 4:13-14
13 And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, "I believed and therefore I spoke," we also believe and therefore speak,
14 knowing that He who raised up the Lord Jesus will also raise us up with Jesus, and will present us with you.
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xxOneness is all about agreement. John 17-22 Jesus prayed that we may be one the same way that Jesus and God are one. Jesus submitted to every Word of God that shows His agreement. We are to submit to every Word of God to show our agreement.
Jesus prayed John 17-22 that we "are one" with Jesus and God the Father. And that doesnt make us God any more than it made Jesus God to be one with God.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 01:19 pm
@Squeakybro,
I'm sorry Bro, but one's immediate response might be, "so what"
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 02:41 pm
@dalehileman,
Well Trinitarians use that verse to say that Jesus is God. I received the revelations of Jesus Christ. So I post the revelation to show them that they misunderstand the verse. Jesus isn't God.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 04:06 pm
@Squeakybro,
Trnitarians claim the same authority, so go figure.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2015 05:45 pm
I'm in agreement with you but defending it with a personal revelation is never going to cut it for others.

The best public proof (assuming acceptance of the bible as credible info) is to read some of the gospels (especially John) and substitute the word God for every instance where Jesus says me or I or my Father or other personal pronouns referring to himself or God . If Jesus was God it should make sense. It does not. It comes out as gibberish.

Things like, "I came to do my Fathers will, not my own" would translate to:
"God came to do God's will, not God's own".

If he said that I'd say ' Get the **** outta here!"

How biblical scholars got the 'trinity' concept Is by fabrication.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2015 03:46 am
@InfraBlue,
They claim it but they don't have any verses for verification.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2015 04:54 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:
. . . .How biblical scholars got the 'trinity' concept Is by fabrication.
It goes back to the religions of Babylon
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2015 04:55 pm
@Squeakybro,
They quote many of the same verses that you do.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2015 06:03 pm
@InfraBlue,
That is why I show them that they are miss interpreting them verses.
And they all run from these verses. Because they cant pervert these.

John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

John 20:17
17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"
(NKJ)

1 Cor 8:5-6
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

Eph 4:6
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
(NKJ)

Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2015 08:10 pm
@Squeakybro,
Don't know if I agree with the rest of your theology but you make a fairly bullet proof case on this point.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2015 08:17 pm
@Leadfoot,
Its hard to find someone who can be honest about the evidence.
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Squeakybro
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2015 10:48 am
@Leadfoot,
I have refuted every piece of evidence the trinity has ever come up with so far.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2015 11:58 am
@Squeakybro,
It's hard to even find people who will even debate the issue. There was one theologian who I had some respect for and I asked him about the issue. He could only respond with "The Trinity is what we believe". End of discussion.

That was the third 'church' I was eventually kicked out of.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2015 12:58 pm
@Leadfoot,
You to? They are selling the concept to the sheep without evidence, without proof. It really troubles me the way they are selling it. They don't have scripture on it, so they compare it to eggs, water, door nobs. They say nobody can truly understand it in this life. And people are buying that. Their going to loose their salvation on a pack of lies.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2015 05:07 pm
It's a lot like the idea that the holy spirit is a person.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2015 05:45 pm
@neologist,
Well He isn't a people person. But He is a spiritual person.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2015 07:29 pm
@Squeakybro,
Quote:
@neologist,
Well He isn't a people person. But He is a spiritual person.


May sound heretical but I always thought of it as the communications link between God and us. Not really a being at all.
Squeakybro
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2015 08:05 pm
@Leadfoot,
Oh He is a being. I posted revelations on Him. And the hidden language of the Holy Spirit. Go into the Holy Spirit forum. He is as much a live being as any one that you can see.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2015 11:05 pm
@Squeakybro,
I have not doubted your experience with a being. The identity of that being cannot be holy. The holy spirit is God's force.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2015 11:18 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
@Squeakybro,
The holy spirit is God's force.


Yeah, that feels about right.
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