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A God That Makes Sense?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 08:23 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

"The wage sin pays is death." - Romans 6:23


But the hours are good and the perks are fantastic.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 09:48 am
@FBM,
Quote:
@Leadfoot,
Got any evidence that such a thing exists outside your mind? If not, why should a rational person believe that it does?


Way more than Stephen Hawking has for believing that "The universe is capable of creating itself from nothing". But then again, it's possible that I and Hawking are both irrational...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 10:09 am
@Leadfoot,
The difference is that Hawking's statement stands up to analysis. The only people who have a problem with it are those who don't understand it.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 11:33 am
@izzythepush,
Sure it does :-) and monkeys are gonna fly outta my butt.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 12:06 pm
@izzythepush,
neologist wrote:
"The wage sin pays is death." - Romans 6:23
izzythepush wrote:
But the hours are good and the perks are fantastic.
Well, I suppose you're right about that. But the retirement package sucks.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 12:09 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
I think that was the point.
I was afraid some folks might not realize its ambidexter application.
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 06:51 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

Quote:
@Leadfoot,
Got any evidence that such a thing exists outside your mind? If not, why should a rational person believe that it does?


Way more than Stephen Hawking has for believing that "The universe is capable of creating itself from nothing". But then again, it's possible that I and Hawking are both irrational...


Show us that evidence you claim to have, please.

Quote:
Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

Dongshan He, Dongfeng Gao, Qing-yu Cai
(Submitted on 4 Apr 2014)
An interesting idea is that the universe could be spontaneously created from nothing, but no rigorous proof has been given. In this paper, we present such a proof based on the analytic solutions of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation (WDWE). Explicit solutions of the WDWE for the special operator ordering factor p=-2 (or 4) show that, once a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum, it can expand exponentially no matter whether the bubble is closed, flat or open. The exponential expansion will end when the bubble becomes large and thus the early universe appears. With the de Broglie-Bohm quantum trajectory theory, we show explicitly that it is the quantum potential that plays the role of the cosmological constant and provides the power for the exponential expansion of the true vacuum bubble. So it is clear that the birth of the early universe completely depends on the quantum nature of the theory.


http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 08:08 pm
@FBM,
Quote:

Show us that evidence you claim to have, please.

Quote:
Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

Dongshan He, Dongfeng Gao, Qing-yu Cai
(Submitted on 4 Apr 2014)
An interesting idea is that the universe could be spontaneously created from nothing, but no rigorous proof has been given. In this paper, we present such a proof based on the analytic solutions of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation (WDWE). Explicit solutions of the WDWE for the special operator ordering factor p=-2 (or 4) show that, once a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum, it can expand exponentially no matter whether the bubble is closed, flat or open. The exponential expansion will end when the bubble becomes large and thus the early universe appears. With the de Broglie-Bohm quantum trajectory theory, we show explicitly that it is the quantum potential that plays the role of the cosmological constant and provides the power for the exponential expansion of the true vacuum bubble. So it is clear that the birth of the early universe completely depends on the quantum nature of the theory.


pie in the sky speculation that you do not have the first idea of what it's saying.
I can copy and paste such ultra speculative crap all day long too...

Show me hard evidence of something from nothing please...
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 08:11 pm
@Leadfoot,
Quid pro quo. Keep up. Whatcha got?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 10:06 pm
@FBM,

noli illegitimi carborundum :-)
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 10:09 pm
@Leadfoot,
noli nothis permittere te terere

So if you have no evidence, how do you expect to convince reasonable people to believe in your invisible friend?
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2015 12:22 am
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2015 03:33 am
@Leadfoot,
We get this all the time. "The big bang can't have happened because I'm too stupid to understand it." That only works with stupid people, perhaps you'd be better off talking to them.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2015 03:34 am
@FBM,
It's Quahog all over again.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2015 03:38 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

It's Quahog all over again.


That explains a lot, then. http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/ewacky.gif
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2015 03:45 am
@FBM,
There's a preponderance of toytown messiahs on A2K these days. Most of them don't understand the science yet think they've got some sort of particular insight that allows them to see something that's evaded everyone else for millennia.

FBM
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2015 05:29 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

There's a preponderance of toytown messiahs on A2K these days. Most of them don't understand the science yet think they've got some sort of particular insight that allows them to see something that's evaded everyone else for millennia.


True that. I wonder if there's an exterminating service for that?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2015 05:31 am
@FBM,
I don't think so. Now that the holy rollers have discovered the internet, they spend their spare time trolling around looking for victims to preach at and argue with.
onevoice
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2015 07:32 am
@Setanta,
Where did all those terms come from Set and Izzy? Holly roller... Bible Thumper... Gosh.. There's a ton more. I can't even remember them all! I heard every single one within 24 hrs of getting saved, and had no clue what any of it meant. And get this... It was a BAPTIST calling me all those things!

Bwaaaahahaha!

Can ya throw out a few more of em? I am really interested in tracing them back. Google is my friend after all. Wink
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2015 07:51 am
@onevoice,
onevoice wrote:

Where did all those terms come from Set and Izzy? Holly roller... Bible Thumper... Gosh.. There's a ton more. I can't even remember them all! I heard every single one within 24 hrs of getting saved, and had no clue what any of it meant. And get this... It was a BAPTIST calling me all those things!

Bwaaaahahaha!

Can ya throw out a few more of em? I am really interested in tracing them back. Google is my friend after all. Wink


What and whom were you "saved" from?
 

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