A God That Makes Sense?

@Glennn,

Ask Him. He will show you, as only He can.

@onevoice,

I assume that you are implying that God is a subjective experience, and that one's experience is indescribable. Correct?

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@Glennn,

You assume incorrectly. I speak very plainly on purpose. Ask Him. He will show you as only He can.

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@onevoice,

My point is that you cannot speak plainly and answer my question of who God is. Therefore, God is a subjective experience open to interpretation. That is why there are many different churches. There are disagreements between believers as to the intentions and will of God. And so they all built churches devoted to their idea of what God is, and what God wants. Religion appears to have done an excellent job of separating people.

In this life, it is intended that we remain centered on what is before us. There is the ground; there is the rain; there is the garden; there is the cabin; there are friends; and there is desire. And then we go about creating what we desire. It is good that we desire the ground, the rain, the garden, the cabin, and friends. It is good that we are centered on these things. However, it is when we move our minds off center that we create that which is not conducive to our true desire, and, consequently, take on the image of something other than what we are.

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@Leadfoot,

bump

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@Glennn,

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@neologist,
Jealousy is not a positive trait. It's based on pure base emotion.

Welcome to the fray Glennn.

In my quest to postulate a God that made sense, That verse was one of the most troubling.

My very first memory at about age 5 (which for some reason doesn't go back as far as most people) was of my mother screaming and yanking the hair of my father's girlfriend who seemed like a nice lady. It was the ugliest emotion I had or ever have experienced. I wanted never to experience it again, especially in myself.

Here is how I have come to interpret that passage. Again, just my attempt to make sense of everything.

Jealousy can take two forms. One , out of insecurity and a false sense of ownership of another. Or two, out of concern for the wellbeing of another.

If there is only one God, it would not be in our best interest to accept a false one. I figure that God's jealousy must be out of concern for us rather than petty insecurity.

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@Glennn,

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God is a subjective experience open to interpretation. That is why there are many different churches.

People are subjective. Not God.

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A god that made sense wouldn't use his alleged superpowers to hide from his inferior creations, then demand that they either believe in it or suffer immensely for using their brains by employing reasonable skepticism. This does not fit the behavior of a loving god, but a sadistic one.

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@FBM,

He has done no such thing. Man made it complicated. Not God. Look around. He is everywhere you aren't looking.

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@onevoice,

I've been looking for decades. When I was young, I imagined I saw him just the way you do. Then I realized that what you want to be true doesn't determine the way things are. I can look at a tree and say, "Look! God did that!" or I can say, "Look! Odin did that!" or I can say, "Look! A tree!" and leave it at that.

But you're evading the issue. Exactly where is this god of yours? Exactly where's the evidence for it? Why hasn't this "god" that demands absolute faith and adoration made itself easier to find? That would be the compassionate thing to do.

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@FBM,

Or you could look and say, "oops... I misunderstood some things. My bad." The choice is up to you and no one else. He is showing you His compassion right here... right now... The question is, will you accept it or not? The choice is yours and yours alone.

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@onevoice,

I did say, "Oops! I misunderstood some things. My bad." Then I became a non-believer. Wink

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@onevoice,

onevoice wrote:

You assume incorrectly. I speak very plainly on purpose. Ask Him. He will show you as only He can.

If you put enough effort into asking Zeus...Zeus will show you also.

Yeah...you can talk yourself into what almost certainly is delusion.

If your god really wanted to communicate with you, though, I doubt the god would need you "asking." After all...the god was able to build the entire universe.

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@FBM,

OK fbm.

@Frank

Good morning. So glad you could join us.

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@Glennn,

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My point is that you cannot speak plainly and answer my question of who God is.

Why yes, yes I can Glen. Smile

The problem is the more simple it is made the more confusing it seems to become for some. Like the churches.

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Therefore, God is a subjective experience open to interpretation. That is why there are many different churches. There are disagreements between believers as to the intentions and will of God.

Not really Glen. Man changing things around and shouting it from the mountains does not change who God is. It can and has changed some people's perception of Him over the years.

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In this life, it is intended that we remain centered on what is before us.

Says who?

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However, it is when we move our minds off center that we create that which is not conducive to our true desire, and, consequently, take on the image of something other than what we are.

Thank you for demonstrating exactly the route "the church" as a whole took to get off track. Smile

Another word for it is selfishness, or being self centered.

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@Frank Apisa,

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If your god really wanted to communicate with you, though, I doubt the god would need you "asking." After all...the god was able to build the entire universe.

Frank, if I came to your house would you rather I knock and wait for you to answer out of respect for you and your property, or just bust on in, plop down on your couch, and say, "Dude, where's my coffee?"

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@onevoice,

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If your god really wanted to communicate with you, though, I doubt the god would need you "asking." After all...the god was able to build the entire universe.

Frank, if I came to your house would you rather I knock and wait for you to answer out of respect for you and your property, or just bust on in, plop down on your couch, and say, "Dude, where's my coffee?"

If your god really wanted to communicate with you, Onevoice, I doubt it would need you "asking."

But, there is nothing wrong with you kidding yourself. Maybe you even need to do it.

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@onevoice,

If you made the house, me and everything else, I don't see a problem. After all, this putative god is demanding a lifelong sacrifice of worship and adoration. Popping in unannounced seems like nothing by comparison. After all, according to scripture, it sends tornados, plagues, earthquakes and diseases without so much as a "By your leave."

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@FBM,

Would you enter someone's house knowing you are unwelcome and uninvited?

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@FBM,

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@onevoice,
If you made the house, me and everything else, I don't see a problem.

The creator of the universe shows respect for your sovereignty and you don't recognize the courtesy?

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After all, this putative god is demanding a lifelong sacrifice of worship and adoration.

Demanding? First you complain that he's too hard to find then you bitch about 'demands'. Isn't it obvious that EVERYTHING is on a voluntary basis with God? And is loving your wife or gf a sacrifice?

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Popping in unannounced seems like nothing by comparison. After all, according to scripture, it sends tornados, plagues, earthquakes and diseases without so much as a "By your leave."

I don't recall reading that part. I thought that was a consequence of natural forces and God's 'hands off' approach that he has apparently taken.

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