Would US teens want a lower age of consent?

The blowhard Whackeye takes the statutes of one state and makes a universal case. What have you got for the other 49 states, Puerto Rico and the other territories?

From Criminaldefenselayer-dot-com, this is the beginning of the opening paragraph from their article on statutory rape in Wisconsin:

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In Wisconsin, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 15), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape.

Someone younger than 15 years of ago, Einstein. A difference of more than three years. I know i used a lot of big words--why don't you look them up and maybe you'll, eventually, understand what i wrote.

Additionally, that article has the following note:

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Many states have "Romeo and Juliet" exceptions to their statutory rape laws, making consensual sexual activity between teenagers close in age either not a crime or a basis for a lighter punishment. Wisconsin does not have such exceptions.

Whackeye was apparently indulging one of the rather dull-witted online tricks of finding an example which supports (or seems to support) one's case, while ignoring all others.

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@Setanta,

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Whackeye was apparently indulging one of the rather dull-witted online tricks of finding an example which supports (or seems to support) one's case, while ignoring all others.

Everyone knows that this is BS because everyone knows that the feminist/state cooperatives position is that sex becomes illegal without consent AND that minors dont have the authority to consent. Current sex law is wrong, and it started wrong from the original theory. You cant even argue that I am wrong about that, because you will look very stupid trying. Sex law needs to be re thoughtand re written.

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@hawkeye10,

I provided a source. What have you got other than your dull-witted, typical bullsh*t?

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@glitterbag,

Excellent!

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

I provided a source. What have you got other than your dull-witted, typical bullsh*t?

Those who cant get the content in the first reading should give it another go...

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Your "everyone knows" horseshit is the immediate clue that you're using a straw man fallacy, and that, in fact, you have no basis for your claims.

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@hawkeye10,

Thats not my argument, that's my point of view. I don't care how you raise your children, but when my son drove without a license and damaged two cars you can damn well count on him being punished. I am a responsible parent, I knew my son cocked up and we felt perfectly comfortable making him responsible for his foolish and costly gamble. Perhaps you aren't capable of insisting your children behave. All kids screw up, no one can raise a perfect child and most kids manage to screw something up while they are young.

Your point of view (also not really an argument) is how low can we make the age of consent for girls. We differ on this, because I didn't have children for pervs to fondle or abuse. I understand you don't think its unnatural for adult men to "date" or romance 13 year old girls, I think it's predatory.

Regarding your other thought, I agree it's impossible to prevent 2 14 year olds from sexual experimentation, and even though I don't believe in punishing children for this, I do think parents bear some responsibility to make sure their are no babies conceived while the older children play at being adults. Start by making sure they are tested for STD's and receive accurate information about safe sex.

Even you must realize that all the laws are supposed to protect peoples property, well-being, livelihood. And yet crimes are committed every day despite the laws. As far as the sentence "you did illegal sex, do as we tell you are else we will prosecute it" I hope you are not trying to tie that grammatical abortion to me.

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@glitterbag,

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Even you must realize that all the laws are supposed to protect peoples property, well-being, livelihood

the government is forever arguing that we need to trade freedom for its protection. I long ago decided that we should stop with these trades, that we have gone far too far. I am also getting pissed at the government continuing to make the request, its job is to safeguard our freedom, not to keep asking to take it to feed its power.

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@hawkeye10,

You don't need to address your paranoid creepy opinions to me, I already know how twisted you are, so if you are going to address me, please make up something at least barely literate and surprise the entire forum.

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@glitterbag,

Talk of my literacy is a diversion and claims of my lack there of are hysterical. I am a poor speller which in this day is normal, and I have an unconventional style of writing unconventional ideas. I am how ever literate for the same reason Kurt Vonnegut was literate. And you should keep in mind that around the early 80's we were taught to largely disregard literacy norms, that we should feel free to find our own personal communication style.

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@hawkeye10,

I think you comparing yourself to Kurt Vonnegut is hysterical. Not hysterical as in funny ha ha, hysterical like you just lost your marbles.

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@glitterbag,

I think that so long as you get the point being made that your complaints about the form of words you are looking at are irrelevant, and often pretentious.

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@hawkeye10,

You can fancy things up as if you are smart and a deep thinker, but regardless of how you try to obscure your intent, everybody gets the point. It's hardly pretentious to recognize the smell of bullshit when it wafts into the forum.

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@engineer,

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I doubt we are going to see any reduction in the age of consent below 16 where it is in most places.

That is not true of most places at all . Many places have 14 and some have the age of consent at 12 . There is a push to bring it up to a uniform 16, with 18 as the age at which age difference will not be taken into account .

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@engineer,

It was all about old women not liking competition . That is why it was only in the last 10-20 years ago that some places made it illegal for women to have sex with underage age boys or girls . Places like Britain . Meanwhile there are large numbers of countries where women can have sex with any child and not get prosecuted .

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@Ionus,

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A leading health expert today called for the UK's age of consent to be lowered to 15, saying we need a national debate on the subject of when sex should be allowed.

Professor John Ashton said there was an argument for lowering the age from 16 in an effort to "draw a line in the sand" against sex at 14 or younger.

He said we society gives out "confused" signals about when sex is permitted, and that many 15-year-olds are unsure of where to turn for support.

He said: "My own view is there is an argument for reducing it to 15 but you cannot do it without the public supporting the idea and we need to get a sense of public opinion about this.

"I would not personally argue for 14 but I think we should seriously be looking at 15 so that we can draw a line in the sand and really, as a society, actively discourage sexual involvement under 15.

"By doing that, you would be able legitimately to organise services to meet the need."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-age-consent-around-world-2802173

For comparison USA runs 16 to 18.

Who said no one is arguing to lower AOC??

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@glitterbag,

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should be able to drive cars,

And the truth is they make better drivers than an 18 yr old .

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I'd bet many would think they didn't need school

Is that the school that teaches them nothing about life but how to be a good cog in the machine and earn money ? That school ?

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The same 13 year olds do not work and are unable to support themselves

That is exactly what they have had to do for most of history . Support themselves .

If women did not breed at 14 we would never have survived as a species, given the long time as children and the short life expectancy for most of our species existence .

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

You can fancy things up as if you are smart and a deep thinker, but regardless of how you try to obscure your intent, everybody gets the point. It's hardly pretentious to recognize the smell of bullshit when it wafts into the forum.

you will be shocked to learn that I only allow you to speak for you. Any other claims of the power of your opinion get rubbed out. I did not just fall off the turnip truck and it is time for you to understand that.

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@hawkeye10,

Nothing you say shocks me. You aren't that clever. And Im not so sure about that turnip truck.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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should be able to drive cars,
And the truth is they make better drivers than an 18 yr old .
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I'd bet many would think they didn't need school
Is that the school that teaches them nothing about life but how to be a good cog in the machine and earn money ? That school ?

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The same 13 year olds do not work and are unable to support themselves
That is exactly what they have had to do for most of history . Support themselves .

If women did not breed at 14 we would never have survived as a species, given the long time as children and the short life expectancy for most of our species existence .

You are crazier than an outhouse rat. Sorry you didn't learn anything in school, and the fact you think we are living in the 17th century explains a lot.

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