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Tue 13 Jul, 2004 10:32 am
Hillary, Top Dems Still Would Have Voted for War
Tuesday, July 13, 2004
Last week Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., said, "We in Congress would not have authorized
that war ? we would not have authorized that war with 75 votes if we knew what we know
now."
ABC?s Ted Koppel, host of "Nightline," decided to put the words of the senior Democratic
member of the Senate Intelligence Committee to the test. Koppel?s findings, which aired on
ABC Radio late Friday night, directly counter Rockefeller?s suggestion that the Senate
would not have strongly endorsed the war against Iraq.
Koppel reported: "We wanted to see whether the conclusions reached by the Intelligence
Committee would have made any difference to the other senators who voted to authorize the
war in Iraq, so we called them.
"Of the 42 we reached, only three said they would have changed their minds had they known
then 'what they know now.'
"Among those who say they would not have changed their minds, a number of prominent
Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer and Tom Daschle."
And I for one would disagree with them just as vehemently......
I disagreed with them then, and do now.
Whats interesting is that even knowing what we do now,the majo7rity of DEMOCRAT senators still we did the right thing and wouldnt change their vote.
That kinda dispels the notion that many have that they think they were conned,doesnt it?
mysteryman wrote:Whats interesting is that even knowing what we do now,the majo7rity of DEMOCRAT senators still we did the right thing and wouldnt change their vote.
That kinda dispels the notion that many have that they think they were conned,doesnt it?
the right thing in the OPINION of some......
mysteryman wrote:Whats interesting is that even knowing what we do now,the majority of DEMOCRAT senators still we did the right thing and wouldnt change their vote.
That kinda dispels the notion that many have that they think they were conned,doesnt it?
It is interesting. It shows that hindsight hasn't blinded everyone of the facts that were demonstrated at the time.
the democrats did not and would not change their vote apparently. We went ahead. Irrefutable. It's a little early to bring in the jury on whether it was the right thing......only time will tell.....
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:the democrats did not and would not change their vote apparently. We went ahead. Irrefutable. It's a little early to bring in the jury on whether it was the right thing......only time will tell.....
I agree,time will tell.BUT,you and others all said that the Dems only voted yes because they were "fooled" into voting for the war.It turns out that they don't agree with you.
I notice that even Kerry wouldn't have changed his vote,nor apparently would Edwards.Why is that I wonder.
mysteryman wrote:Bi-Polar Bear wrote:the democrats did not and would not change their vote apparently. We went ahead. Irrefutable. It's a little early to bring in the jury on whether it was the right thing......only time will tell.....
I agree,time will tell.BUT,you and others all said that the Dems only voted yes because they were "fooled" into voting for the war.It turns out that they don't agree with you.
I notice that even Kerry wouldn't have changed his vote,nor apparently would Edwards.Why is that I wonder.
I stand by that. I believe that many of them would have voted to stay out knowing what they know now no matter what they now say out of the need for politcal expediency.....
I disagreed with them then and I disagree with them now.
Quote:U.S. Sen. John Rockefeller of West Virginia, the ranking Democrat on the bipartisan committee, said the Senate would not have voted overwhelmingly in 2002 to approve the war if it had known how deeply flawed the intelligence was.
"The administration at all levels, and to some extent us, used bad information to bolster its case for war. And we in Congress would not have authorized that war, we would not have authorized that war, with 75 votes, if we knew what we know now," he said.
Some Democrats said they believed the administration's role in presenting the intelligence needs a closer look.
"The committee's report does not acknowledge that the intelligence estimates were shaped by the administration," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat. "In my view, this remains an open question that needs more careful scrutiny."
ABC Nighline
MM could you provide a link
please. I went to ABC Nightline and didn't see this particular claim.
Prompted by Redheat's post, I did a quick Google search for any references to this purported Ted Koppel report. The results: nothing, nada, zilch, bupkus.
I therefore officially call "SHENANIGANS" on mysteryman.
Quote:Whats interesting is that even knowing what we do now,the majo7rity of DEMOCRAT senators still we did the right thing and wouldnt change their vote.
That kinda dispels the notion that many have that they think they were conned,doesnt it?
Nah. It just means that some senators believe it will profit them politically to not be labelled 'flip-floppers,' which apparently is the new name for someone who changes their mind.
Cycloptichorn
mysteryman wrote:Whats interesting is that even knowing what we do now,the majo7rity of DEMOCRAT senators still we did the right thing and wouldnt change their vote.
That kinda dispels the notion that many have that they think they were conned,doesnt it?
No because what most of those democratic senators disagree with is the way Bush went to war with Iraq and the speed.
They think that although Bush stretched the truth there was a case for war.
To repeat another, I disagreed then and I disagree now.
Or maybe what Cycloptichorn said.
Those what I mentioned above is just what I heard various senators say.
Quote:"Of the 42 we reached, only three said they would have changed their minds had they known
then 'what they know now.'
I wonder how many of the 42 said "No Comment". You have to watch the way the press words things.
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