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Is the Universe Infinite?

 
 
Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 06:25 pm
Is the universe infinite or finite?
Neither answer seems to work well.

Is our universe infinite?
How could that be possible? How can something go on forever?

Is it finite? Really? Then what is just outside the "walls of the universe?"
How could that be possible?

And, if the universe is a "Figure-8 on its side, etc."...What is outside the Figure-8?

(cross-listed from Science...wanted to compare the philosophers and the scientists thinking)
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 06:36 pm
At the present level of knowledge a valid case can be made for either so I ascribe to my own personal theory which I call the Theory of the Congenial Universe. Anything you can think up, the universe will consider it and say "Ya, we can do that"
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Asherman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 07:57 pm
Yes
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tcis
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 08:05 pm
No. However, yes.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 10:07 pm
I would say that the universe is "infinite" because I cannot imagine it being finite, that is something outside of it. On the other hand, considering the fact that "finite" and "infinite" are human constructions, I suspect they describe only our DREAM, as Asherman refers to maya or samsara. I think that when we say the universe is infinite or finite, either way, we are wrong. No, I take that back. WE ARE NOT EVEN WRONG.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 10:17 pm
The universe is finite. Infinity is a theoretical concept that does not exist in the universe.

As for what is outside the universe..... well I would have thought the answer was obvious..... nothing.
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 10:19 pm
the 'known' universe is infinite; it is all we know, it is everything we know.

[in my universe nothingness exploded under the pressure of impossibility toward a state of everything; when that point is reached the exhaustive pressure of everything will force a retreat toward nothingness again.]
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 10:33 pm
Adrian, I agree with your first sentence, but regarding the second: nothing is something. What could that nothing/something be?
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Adrian
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 10:50 pm
JL.

Nothing is NOT something.

Nothing is the absence of something.

Nothing is just not.
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 10:57 pm
Adrian nothingness is as dificult a concept as infinity; in a way, they are related, as nothingness is infinite.

However both exist in proportion to our willingness to deal with them, and apply them to what, to us, make sense.

To me nothing else makes sense.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 11:01 pm
Nothing is not infinite.

Nothing is.

Nothing is not.
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 11:04 pm
Adrian wrote:
Nothing is not infinite.

Nothing is.

Nothing is not.


very nice, i liked that; disagree, but i like it.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 11:07 pm
Thanks. Smile

Inspired somewhat by a scene from my favourite play.
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 11:12 pm
In that vein, paraphrasing; "accept Adrian, accept!"

from "Tiny Alice" - Edward Albee.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 11:19 pm
I accept NOTHING! Laughing
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Thok
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jul, 2004 11:34 pm
Albert Einstein:
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The universe is small, but still infinite


I agree with him.....

Or a other theory: The universe has a trompet form.

But I tough it out: Einstein had this good describe
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john-nyc
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2004 07:57 pm
It depends on whether you're talking about time or space.

If the question is one of time, then the universe is easier to conceive as infinite (and therefore immeasurable) under the following theory:

There was a big bang.

From the point, in space, of the big bang the matter in the universe expands.

The expansion continues for an extremely long time, but then stops.

It then begins to contract.

It collapses toward a single point (which may or may not be the same point of its origin).

It is compressed to the point where it re-explodes.

This pulsating universe has been going on forever and will continue to go on forevermore.

I don't know why but I am able to get my mind around the concept of an infinity of time. That something may have always been and always will be.

I have a harder time getting my mind around the idea of infinite space.

Suppose the my time theory is correct. The universe expands until it stops and contracts. At the point of greatest expansion there must still be more room beyond: out there with nothing in it. Eternal emptiness is probably what I can't grasp.
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stuh505
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2004 08:09 pm
i recently read that the universe is not only expanding but accelerating

the universe as we know it is finite

i personally believe that it is infinite
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Asherman
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2004 08:14 pm
See the Time thread within the Philosophy Forum. You can't meaningfully talk about time and space apart from one another.
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Not Too Swift
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jul, 2004 08:58 pm
If I don't get claustrophobia, it's big enough for me not to care - especially if I don't get reborn.
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