Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 05:39 am
@Krumple,
Genders studies can be bad for your brain.

She's either a very smart male, or a very stupid female. I vote for the latter. Given how rare smarts are over the interwebs, it is statistically much more probable.

whitebars
 
  -2  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 10:38 am
@jespah,
Quote:
You are hanging your hat on some awfully ridiculous and unsupported assumptions.


Did you watch the documentary? White people have privilege that others can't even understand.
whitebars
 
  -2  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 10:41 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
puerile misogynist to make feminists look ridiculous. Whether or not that is the case--this is a pathetic thread.


What in this thread have I said that's ridiculous? Give me a specific example and explain why it's ridiculous or shut the **** up. Simple as that.

If what I'm saying isn't correct, then correct it. Otherwise **** off.

I have said nothing misogynist here.
whitebars
 
  -3  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 10:49 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
She's either a very smart male, or a very stupid female.


And we continue to see how i am attacked simply for being female. The misogyny is everywhere here on A2K.

This is my thread you whiny man baby. Go **** off.
jespah
 
  3  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 11:18 am
@whitebars,
I am well aware that there is privilege. That does not translate into racism in any form of an automatic way.
Setanta
 
  1  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 12:26 pm
@whitebars,
You shut the **** up, you witless bitch. Misogyny is not the only sin--stupidity combined with arrogance ranks right up there.
thack45
 
  4  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 12:46 pm
@jespah,
jespah wrote:
You are hanging your hat on some awfully ridiculous and unsupported assumptions.


Aye. And witnessing regular doses of this is enough to make one prone to misanthropy... which, I might add, is all about equality.
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whitebars
 
  -2  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 01:48 pm
@jespah,
One word, Trayvon.
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whitebars
 
  -1  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 01:54 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
you witless bitch


An excellent example of your misogyny. Does calling a woman a bitch make you feel better about your small penis?

You claimed that I was attempting to make feminists look ridiculous by the things I was saying. So what have I said that's inaccurate about feminism?

Seems you can't come up with an example. And that's because everything I've stated about feminism is the truth.

And so you have proven your argument invalid.

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thack45
 
  2  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 02:35 pm
@whitebars,
whitebars wrote:

Quote:
You are hanging your hat on some awfully ridiculous and unsupported assumptions.


Did you watch the documentary? White people have privilege that others can't even understand.


Lol you ask this as if an MTV produced, pandering gloss-over piece is the only means of understanding the very complicated problems of racism. Believe it or not, there is a targeted audience there, and perhaps even more shocking, people have been aware of institutional racism for some time, and without any help whatsoever from the entertainment industry. But aside from all that, what does racism have to do with your misandristic brand of feminism?
whitebars
 
  -2  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 02:35 pm
Racist whites:

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race
Want to be an ally? Educate yourself.


“We talk a lot about race in this country a lot, but we don’t include you [in] the conversation… I’m interested in how you feel.”

That’s the open-ended question award-winning filmmaker Jose Antonio Vargas poses to young white Americans in his (aptly named) new documentary: “White People.”

The content of the film is interesting, but only scratches the surface. (To read a smart critique of “White People,” go here.) But where the movie succeeds is in bringing up a basic truth that, unfortunately, many white people in this country are still terrified to face: We have to start talking about and interrogating our whiteness.

We are two white women. We are also self-described progressives and critical thinkers, who write professionally about the way sexuality, gender and race intersect with the world we live in. Yet we still recognize an internalized reticence to engage in conversations about race and racism. Neither of us can remember a clear moment in our young lives during which we realized we were white, and what that meant. When we’re pulled over by a cop, our biggest fear is that we might get an expensive speeding ticket. We have always seen faces that look like ours on TV and in movies. All of these things speak to the depth of our white privilege -- and the fact that people of color certainly can't say the same. We do not live in a "post-racial" world.

The same way men need to be forced to confront, interrogate and reckon with masculinity in order to address sexism, white people need to face their whiteness. And it is not the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about race. People of color don’t need to be taught that racism exists -- they live it every day. It shouldn’t (and can’t) be on their shoulders to enlighten the rest of us. We have to do that for ourselves.

Here are 11 things every white person who doesn't want to be Part Of The Problem should know:

1. Everyone has a race -- even you.

“Racism is the fact that ‘White’ means ‘normal’ and that anything else is different,” writer John Metta wrote in a blog published on HuffPost. Because whiteness is viewed as the “default,” white people have the privilege of distancing themselves from the concept of race or denying it altogether. The first step towards combating structural racism is acknowledging its existence -- and the ways in which cultural ideas about whiteness prop up those structures.

2. For white people, talking about race is uncomfortable. For people of color, it’s a necessity.

No, talking about race isn't fun. Confronting privileges and structures far larger than yourself -- ones which you may feel you have little-to-no control over or no idea how to change -- will always be uncomfortable. But… tough ****. “The entire discussion of race in America centers around the protection of White feelings,” wrote Metta. (See: “white fragility.”) Many people don’t have the ability to ignore these issues, because they worry that the color of their skin could mean dying in police custody after being pulled over for a routine traffic violation, or being killed for walking down the street wearing a hoodie, or being massacred by a white man in their house of worship. Discussions of racism can’t be dictated by the emotions of white people.

3. You’re not “color blind.”

You do see race. You make snap judgments. Pretending that you don’t see race simply means that you haven’t had to. Guess what? That’s the epitome of privilege. People who are discriminated against don’t get to just wake up and decide race doesn’t matter, that it doesn’t exist. Neither do you.

4. You need to recognize that you benefit from white privilege in order to move the conversation forward.

As one student in the documentary noted, as a white person, “you don’t have to prove you’re one of the good ones.” Think about how often that applies. If you’re pulled over by a cop, your innocence is assumed. If you’re looking to move, your neighbors will believe you’re a good person without any proof. If you’re shopping in a store, you won’t be followed by an employee. You don’t get to choose whether you benefit from white privilege or not -- it’s the structures in place that automatically grants it to you. Denying that only makes you complicit in continuing that cycle.

5. #BlackLivesMatter doesn't suggest that other lives don't -- it's about making sure that black lives do.

Presidential candidate Martin O'Malley learned this lesson after he said that all lives matter at the Netroots Nation conference. Of course they do, but declaring it misses the point.


6. People of color are allowed to be angry about racism. Don’t dismiss that anger, take it in.

Social change requires making some noise. As the Black Lives Matter protest at the Netroots Nation conference proved, activists of color are going to hold all influencers -- allies or otherwise -- accountable. And doing so probably will involve “disruption,” fueled in part by (righteous) anger. As white people, we have to accept that anger is a natural response to being systematically oppressed. And it can be an effective tool. “Frustration. Anger. Silenced. Talked over. Ignored,” reads a post on Eclecta Blog, about the Netroots protest. “Every single one of these emotions are felt acutely and painfully every single day by racial minority groups in our country.”

7. Everyday racism is subtle and insidious.

Blatant racism is easy to recognize, and easy to separate ourselves from. As President Barack Obama stated in a June podcast, “It's not just a matter of it not being polite to say 'nigger' in public. That's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. It's not just a matter of overt discrimination. Societies don't, overnight, completely erase everything that happened 200 to 300 years prior." Racism is everywhere -- black actors and actresses are sidelined in Hollywood. In the workplace, the wage gap hits black women and Latina women the hardest by far. And people of color experience racial microaggressions on a daily basis. (Comments like: "What are you?" and "You don't really act black.")

8. Words matter.

Before you speak, think about the impact the words you choose could have on the people around you. At one point in “White People,” a black student breaks out in tears when a white girl doesn't understand why casually calling her white friend’s behavior “ghetto” was a problem. As BuzzFeed’s Tamerra Griffin put it, when a white person says “That’s ghetto,” black people hear, “That is a negative thing I associate with blackness and/or the working class.” See Griffin’s list of 14 Words That Carry A Coded Meaning For Black People for more phrases you should consider banning from your vocabulary. (Yes, describing a trend as “urban” is racist.)

9. The conversation about race implicates you, but your voice should not be at the center of it.

As Taylor Swift learned from her recent Twitter back-and-forth with Nicki Minaj, when people of color criticize structural inequality it’s not about you, personally. Again: It’s. Not. About. You. Personally. So don’t try to make it all about you. White people need to take responsibility for the big and small ways we perpetuate racism. But often that means taking a step back and listening to the people who are impacted by racism day in and day out. If you’re going to add your voice to a dialogue -- which you should -- make sure you’re adding value to the conversation, and not just silencing the grievances of people of color.

10. "Reverse racism" isn’t a thing.

11. Don’t think you know it all -- or even most of it. Listen, listen, listen.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/11-things-white-people-need-to-realize-about-race_55b0009be4b07af29d576702
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 02:45 pm
@whitebars,
Quote:
You need to recognize that you benefit from white privilege in order to move the conversation forward.

Anyone who decides that I need to agree with them before they can talk to me is not worth talking to. I tell them to **** off.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 04:03 pm
@thack45,
Quote:
But aside from all that, what does racism have to do with your misandristic brand of feminism?

The prism of cultural studies and identity politics, me guess.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 04:15 pm
@whitebars,
Quote:
And we continue to see how i am attacked simply for being female.

No, I don't attack you for being female. I don't even attack you for being stupid. It is just my opinion and I am expressing it, just as you are expressing yours.

By the way, I am of the few here who actually believe that you ARE female. Many others seem to think of you as a male pretending to be female. I don't buy that.

Quote:
This is my thread you whiny man baby. Go **** off.

This is sexual harassment. When you call men derogatory names, you prove your misandry.
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thack45
 
  2  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 04:16 pm
@Olivier5,
That's very generous. Were that the case, the thread title is misleading, to say the least
Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 04:30 pm
@thack45,
thack45 wrote:
the thread title is misleading

She's unfocussed, i grant you that. But behind it all is a worldview where white men form a domineering, exploitative class that deserves to be fought back. And that's a common pattern in identity politics.
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thack45
 
  3  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 04:50 pm
And then of course there are the OP's tags for the thread. I see there is a possibility that this is a troll. It's unclear to me whether it is to intentionally degrade feminism, or just to spout out obstinate, coldjoint style blather, so I'll just be settling up on the topic 2 Cents2 Cents
ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 04:57 pm
@thack45,
Take a look at the OP's tags on their page. Whether it's a man or a woman, it's truly whack.




(my vote would be male)
Olivier5
 
  2  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 05:05 pm
@ehBeth,
Why, you don't like vagina power?
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Fri 24 Jul, 2015 05:24 pm
@Olivier5,
https://img0.etsystatic.com/054/0/10501376/il_340x270.748838274_giob.jpg
 

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