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Moses thought the world was at one time perfect. What happened?

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neologist
 
Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:30 pm
Moses is generally thought to have written the first five books of the bible This is how he described God's work in Genesis:
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. . . behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)
A lot of bad stuff happened after that - very bad.

Yet, he continued to maintain God's work was perfect.
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He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.(Deuteronomy 32:4)
So, did Moses have it all 100% wrong? Or, is there another explanation that takes Moses' point of view into account as he continued his writing?

I've mended my kevlar helmet and I'm ready. So fire away.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:30 pm
@neologist,
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A lot of bad stuff happened after that - very bad

That was around the time Republicans were born.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:32 pm
Historians have not been able to find a historical Moses, I believe I recall reading.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:37 pm
@neologist,
Don't authority figures generally do that? crap happens and they find a way to spin it.

Every kids' sports coach does it. We're down 10-2? We can take 'em! You get out there and show them what a team can do! We've got the spirit! It's all good! Go team! Go!

I'm fairly sure tribal leaders have been doing that since they first figured out how to communicate to their followers.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:39 pm
@neologist,
Did Moses really exist? I always thought he was just an allegorical story in the fairy tale.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:42 pm
@Ragman,
neologist wrote:
A lot of bad stuff happened after that - very bad
Ragman wrote:
That was around the time Republicans were born.

Whew.
I forgot to add that I agree to a point.
Almost missed time limit to edit
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Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:42 pm
@rosborne979,
Jesus Saves
Moses Invests
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:44 pm
@neologist,
If he thought it was so great, why didn't he stay in Egypt?
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:47 pm
@neologist,
Moses was a basket case !
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:48 pm
@roger,
H P Lovecraft wrote a coupla scary books too. Nobody gives a rats ass about him.

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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:49 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
Don't authority figures generally do that?
They sure do. So, did Moses fail to notice the disparity between his statements?
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 04:53 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:
Did Moses really exist? I always thought he was just an allegorical story in the fairy tale.
Somebody had to write the words. Did he have some explanation in mind for the state of the world?

Just wondering
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 05:00 pm
@roger,
His GPS was messed up. After 40 years of wandering in the desert ...following Omar Sharif, etc.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 05:10 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

ehBeth wrote:
Don't authority figures generally do that?
They sure do. So, did Moses fail to notice the disparity between his statements?

How does a mythical character fail to see his own poor logic and reasoning? Clearly it's not his fault. He's merely a slave to the whims and inconsistencies of the poor fiction writers (plural) who wrote the mockumentary novel known as the bible.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 05:14 pm
@neologist,
I think the truth wouldn't have mattered to whoever wrote the books. What mattered was coalescing the group. So they said what they thought would work - and it did. Group psychology's pretty basic stuff.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 06:55 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
Did Moses really exist? I always thought he was just an allegorical story in the fairy tale.
Somebody had to write the words.

I'm sure a lot of somebody's wrote the words. And a lot of somebodies told tall tales that turned into words. And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people in the ancient world knew it was all fantasy stories. Yet somehow, a whole lot of people in the modern world who should know better, don't recognize a fantasy story when they hear it.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 07:25 pm
@neologist,
Interesting thing.

It's precisely this type of question that turned me from a believer to a questioner and then to a doubter.

For everyone who thinks that discussions on the internet don't change people's minds - they sure can.
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FBM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 07:38 pm
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/1601255_937568336265100_1146926804099609713_n.jpg
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 07:39 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

neologist wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
Did Moses really exist? I always thought he was just an allegorical story in the fairy tale.
Somebody had to write the words.

I'm sure a lot of somebody's wrote the words. And a lot of somebodies told tall tales that turned into words. And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people in the ancient world knew it was all fantasy stories. Yet somehow, a whole lot of people in the modern world who should know better, don't recognize a fantasy story when they hear it.


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/11351460_1122656634416453_5550665075096527244_n.jpg
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 09:08 pm
@FBM,
Not very classy to post a jpeg you've posted before But it's an interesting take.
FBM wrote:
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/1601255_937568336265100_1146926804099609713_n.jpg
But. I wonder:
Assuming there were a God
Assuming he would consider leaving us a message explaining why things are
To which type of people would he direct his message?
A nomadic goat herder in words simple enough for anyone to understand?
Or, a scientist with multiple Phds who can then use his lofty status to control the less sophisticated?

 

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