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What happens if there is election fraud?

 
 
Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2004 03:45 pm
I was talking with a friend of mine about the upcoming election, and the whole "potential to steal the vote" thing, and a question came to mind:

What if the election was held, Bush gets in, then its discovered a few weeks/months later that the election was stolen (through whatever means...Fraudulent touch screen booths, voter purges, etc. )?

And not just a few votes, but I'm talking about serious election fraud. I know the sh*t would hit the fan, but what do you think would happen after that?
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2004 07:55 pm
As we can see from the previous election, when there is election fraud, Bush wins!
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2004 09:50 pm
Things like that do not happen in America.

Go back to sleep.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2004 10:01 pm
Re: What happens if there is election fraud?
JustanObserver wrote:
And not just a few votes, but I'm talking about serious election fraud. I know the sh*t would hit the fan, but what do you think would happen after that?


McCain would lead a small group of critical Republicans into voting with the Dems in Congress to demand a major investigation. The investigation would, in the course of a lengthy time of public hearings etc, turn the Bush admin into a sitting-duck-government and provoke acrimony both between WH and Congress and within the Rep. party. The investigation would ultimately lead to the impeachment of Bush.

I'm confused about what happens then. I would guess new elections, but after Nixon was deposed Ford went on governing until the next regularly scheduled elections too, no? Anyway, I would hope for new elections, in which the Dems would blow the Bush apologists out of the water, Kerry getting elected the new Prez. The election defeat would bring about a turnover in power in the Rep. party, with McCain taking over and henceforth putting up constructive criticism to Kerry, with whom he would meet every month to ensure both parties would stick to fair play.




Hmmm.


Perhaps it wouldnt be such a bad thing to happen, eh? Razz
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2004 10:02 pm
HEY . . . NIHM . . .


Wake up, Buddy, yer dreamin' . . .
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2004 10:09 pm
whawhawhHUH?

Oh, oh ... <wipes sleep from eyes>

I should jus' go to bed, eh?
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2004 10:19 pm
The supreme court declares you president.
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jespah
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2004 10:26 pm
Re: What happens if there is election fraud?
nimh wrote:
...after Nixon was deposed Ford went on governing until the next regularly scheduled elections too, no? ...


Nixon wasn't exactly deposed, although that would've happened if he had stayed in power. Rather, he resigned, and the rule of succession went into effect (XXth Amendment to the US Constitution). Hence, Ford became President and, since Ford was not impeached or anything, did not resign and (of course) remained alive during the remainder of the second Nixon term, Ford stayed in and, as you know, ran for reelection. If he had won, under the XXIIth Amendment, he would have been eligible for that term but not another one, as I believe he hit the 2-year mark during his short tenure.

Here's the text of the XXIIth Amendment:

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Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.


And here's the text of the XXth Amendment:

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Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

Section. 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

Section. 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Section. 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

Section. 5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.

Section. 6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.


It also appears that, under the XXth Amendment, Section 3, in the event of election fraud, "if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified." I'm not sure if this section would apply as it doesn't specifically refer to election fraud, but there also don't seem to be other definitions of a President elect who "shall have failed to qualify", unless you're talking about basic stuff such as having to be born in the US and be at least 35 years of age.

Hence, let's say there's election fraud and let's say the President-elect and the Vice President-elect are implicated. If that's the case, then it appears that Congress decides how a temporary President is selected. But it doesn't say anything about a new election, unless that's what's meant by ..."until a President or Vice President shall have qualified."

If there's election fraud and only the President-elect is implicated (highly unlikely that the VP-elect would not be implicated, but let's assume so for sake of argument), then it appears that the President-elect would be unqualified by the VP-elect would be qualified. Then, according to Section 3, the VP-elect acts as President until someone qualifies as President, and it appears that that person need not be the VP-elect.

Verrry interesting.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2004 10:48 pm
In any event, if fraud happens, I hope Bush loses.
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