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Polar ice advancing, global warming is dead

 
 
Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2015 10:16 am

http://www.sott.net/article/297179-Global-Warming-is-dead-NASA-satellites-show-polar-ice-caps-growing-instead-of-receding
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2015 10:17 am

http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

Both poles now...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2015 11:47 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
http://i58.tinypic.com/23tko78.jpg

Source: NASA via gunga's link
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2015 01:53 pm
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A 10-percent decline in polar sea ice is not very remarkable, especially considering the 1979 baseline was abnormally high anyway. Regardless, global warming activists and a compliant news media frequently and vociferously claimed the modest polar ice cap retreat was a sign of impending catastrophe. Al Gore even predicted the Arctic ice cap could completely disappear by 2014.

In late 2012, however, polar ice dramatically rebounded and quickly surpassed the post-1979 average. Ever since, the polar ice caps have been at a greater average extent than the post-1979 mean.

Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2015 02:00 pm
@gungasnake,
Obviously you both cannot be right, right?

I wonder what NASA has to say if it denies its own GRACE satellite data.

rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2015 04:39 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Obviously you both cannot be right, right?

Could it be that Mass and Surface Area are not the same thing.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2015 07:56 pm
Snake oil, as usual.

From the University of Washington:

West Antarctic Ice Sheet collapse is under way. Dated May 12, 2014.

From AntarcticGlaciers-dot-org:

Marine ice sheet instability. A discussion of ice sheet instability. Dated September 16, 2014.

From ScienceMag-dot-org (from the American Association for the Advancement of Science):

West Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Collapsing. Dated May 12, 2014.

From NASA:

The "Unstable" West Antarctic Ice Sheet: A Primer.Dated May 12, 2014.

Maybe Gunga Dim should by some land in the hills north of Washington, DC, so he can have some seafront property in years to come.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2015 09:47 pm
@Setanta,
Here's a witty rejoinder for ya...do the mathematics . How much heat will it take to melt Antartica ? Oh and why have you quoted a news intern ? Is that what qualifies as a scientist for GW Enthusiasts ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2015 09:52 pm
@farmerman,
Correct me if I am wrong, I am sure someone will anyway, but the GRACE satellites stopped collecting data in 2010 . They are currently in orbit decay and are expected to burn up this year or the next . Some sources quote 2014 data . Where are they getting it from ? Climate "scientists" wouldnt be making stuff up would they ?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2015 02:31 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, I am sure someone will anyway, but the GRACE satellites stopped collecting data in 2010 .
The latest data which were published by the ISCD are for March 2015 (from CSR, GFZ, and JPL)

On a different note: Possible artifacts of data biases in the recent global surface warming hiatus
Quote:
Here we present an updated global surface temperature analysis that reveals that global trends are higher than reported by the IPCC, especially in recent decades, and that the central estimate for the rate of warming during the first 15 years of the 21st century is at least as great as the last half of the 20th century.

http://i60.tinypic.com/16asak4.jpg
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2015 03:05 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/solar-lull-little-ice-age-sun-scientists_n_4645248.html

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/03/little-ice-age-is-coming-in-2014-2585776.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/entries/6d50a6bd-779a-32d6-bfca-06e4484d6835

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/04/noaas-new-paper-is-there-no-global-warming-hiatus-after-all/

Quote:
A new paper published today by Science, from Thomas Karl and several co-authors[1], that removes the “hiatus” in global warming prompts many serious scientific questions.

The main claim[2] by the authors that they have uncovered a significant recent warming trend is dubious. The significance level they report on their findings (.10) is hardly normative, and the use of it should prompt members of the scientific community to question the reasoning behind the use of such a lax standard.

In addition, the authors’ treatment of buoy sea-surface temperature (SST) data was guaranteed to create a warming trend. The data were adjusted upward by 0.12°C to make them “homogeneous” with the longer-running temperature records taken from engine intake channels in marine vessels.

As has been acknowledged by numerous scientists, the engine intake data are clearly contaminated by heat conduction from the structure, and as such, never intended for scientific use. On the other hand, environmental monitoring is the specific purpose of the buoys. Adjusting good data upward to match bad data seems questionable, and the fact that the buoy network becomes increasingly dense in the last two decades means that this adjustment must put a warming trend in the data.



Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2015 03:10 am
@gungasnake,
Indeed, there have been different opinions be some in the past.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2015 03:54 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Who are the ISCD ? What is the connection between your post and the GRACE satellite ?
Global Warming Hiatus - an assumption the planet is warming but has paused...not stopped , simply paused . They have the gall to call themselves scientists and they write rubbish like this ?

Where did they get accurate information going back to 1880 for that graph ?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2015 04:51 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Who are the ISCD ? What is the connection between your post and the GRACE satellite ?
That's the Information System and Data Center for the science data exploitation and dissemination within the joint US/German Science Data System (SDS)


Ionus wrote:
Where did they get accurate information going back to 1880 for that graph ?
I've given the link to that publication. (The source for the graph is mentioned at the bottom of the pic, the link is above in my response.)
I don't know the authors nor the proof-readers, editor or publishers. You should ask them if the doubt the results, question the graphs/sources in that report
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2015 05:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Ionus wrote:
Where did they get accurate information going back to 1880 for that graph ?
I've given the link to that publication. (The source for the graph is mentioned at the bottom of the pic, the link is above in my response.)


Just in case that you don't have access, the complete graph from the original:
Quote:

http://i57.tinypic.com/n4tw74.jpg
Quote:

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Brohan, E. C. Kent, R. W. Reynolds, S. R. Smith, C. Wilkinson, ICOADS Release
2.5: Extensions and enhancements to the surface marine meteorological archive.
Int. J. Climatol. 31, 951–967 (2011). doi:10.1002/joc.2103
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Source and more at: www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/science.aaa5632/DC1
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2015 07:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks for your work . Addressing the thread in general, the accuracy of data going back to 1880 requires suspended intelligence .
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2015 07:46 am
https://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/the-new-mini-ice-age-is-upon-us/
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2015 07:47 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
the accuracy of data going back to 1880 requires suspended intelligence .
I'm not sure, if this really is a negative critic about the intelligence of those, who did so and were used as sources for the graph.
But since you are a coryphaeus about this subject, you may teach them. Or at least us here.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2015 07:53 am
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/k/c/51437083b9.jpg
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