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The coming Oz election thread ...

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 04:48 pm
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/10/17/cartoon_1810.jpg
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 04:53 pm
msolga wrote:
CYNICAL, LYING BASTARDS!



Don't hold back! You shouldn't bottle up your feelings.......
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 04:59 pm
I'm beyond that phase now, Stilly. Having accepted the *verdict of the people*, I'm now just quietly depressed by it all. Sad
And if Bush wins, too ..... maybe permanent depression?
What interesting times we live in. Rolling Eyes
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 05:12 pm
So where was BIS Schrapnel BEFORE the election?
This is fabulous news for those mortgage belt folk who voted for *responsible economic management* .... The only issue that mattered, apparently. Rolling Eyes

Interest rates tipped for a substantial rise
October 18, 2004

Interest rates are likely to rise substantially in the next three years while the economy heads for a downturn, the economic forecaster BIS Shrapnel has warned.

BIS Shrapnel made the forecast in its latest Long-Term Forecasts 2004 to 2019. The report said it was a myth to think that Australia's moderate growth, low inflation and low interest rates could continue forever.

Its senior economist, Matthew Hassan, said the Reserve Bank would have to increase rates between two and three percentage points in the next three years.


The expected low unemployment levels next financial year would create a skilled workers shortage, which would mean many businesses were likely to pay higher wages, he said. Higher wages would cause price rises in 2006.

"These two years of inflationary growth will be the trigger for substantial interest rate rises, with the official cash rate expected to peak at around 8 per cent in late 2006," Mr Hassan said.

BIS Shrapnel still predicts a recession in 2007-08. Its report said a business investment bust in 2007 would follow the current rush to invest to meet demand.


http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/17/1097951559065.html?from=top5&oneclick=true
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 05:36 pm
msolga...amazing that a topic called the "Upcoming Oz Election Thread" could still be thriving. Thanks.
I won't post this elsewhere, so yall heard it first. Mr Kerry will win the US election and it will not be as close (electoral votes) as many pundits expected. Nov 2nd. -realjohnboy-
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 05:42 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
... I won't post this elsewhere, so yall heard it first. Mr Kerry will win the US election and it will not be as close (electoral votes) as many pundits expected. Nov 2nd. -realjohnboy-


Laughing


Saved! Very Happy
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 05:47 pm
msolga wrote:
What interesting times we live in. Rolling Eyes


I rather suspect that you knew this in writing as you did, but there is an ancient Chinese curse--May you live in interesting times.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 05:54 pm
Setanta wrote:
msolga wrote:
What interesting times we live in. Rolling Eyes


I rather suspect that you knew this in writing as you did, but there is an ancient Chinese curse--May you live in interesting times.


Yes.
And we're most certainly cursed here, setanta! Now let's hpe that rjb is correct, with his inside information, or we'll be doubly cursed.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 09:58 pm
Did you know that 'May you live in interesting times' is not a Chinese curse? It comes from a piece of fiction from early last century written by a guy who had never been to China who described three Chinese curses.
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From Fortean Times (issue 149, p. 12), a possible source for the saying: "May you live in interesting times" occurs in Ernest Bramah's The Wallet of Kai Lung (1900), a series of tales set in a wholly imagined version of China--hence the belief that it is a genuine Chinese curse. It is the first of three progressively more awful curses. The others are "May you come to the attention of those in high places" and "May the gods grant your prayers". -Andrew Barton in the Guardians Notes & Queries, 1 Mar 2001.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 10:21 pm
I don't like the idea of this one at all, hingehead:

"May you come to the attention of those in high places"

... Paranoia!
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Oct, 2004 11:19 pm
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,388632,00.jpg


OK, OK, the election is over! ... I know, I know. And I promise to stop posting here soon. But in the meantime there's the aftermath .....
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 03:18 am
Ah - smeg it. Whan the bastards find a black hole in THEIR OWN budget as soon as the election is over - we can barf all over 'em for as long as we want.

They will on us...
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 06:59 am
Crawling from the wreckage
October 20, 2004

As more rats leave Labor's leaky vessel, questions are emerging
about the leader, writes Michelle Grattan.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/19/1097951694009.html

<sigh>
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 03:18 pm
Yeah.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 02:43 am
Like everyone else, it seems, I'm doing my own bit of thinking (& breast beating!) about the current position of Labor following the election. Here's an article by Barry Jones, which makes a lot of sense to me:

The capitulation of modern Labor
October 22, 2004


The ALP has failed to treat its cancer. Now the party's heart and
mind are in imminent peril, writes Barry Jones.

Australia now has two mainstream parties of the right: the ALP in the centre right and the Liberal Party on the hard right. This is an illustration of "political compaction", like being offered a choice between McDonald's and KFC. Is there any room for a party of the left in Australia, representing people who believe that the world and the nation should be improved, rather than settling for the status quo?

... (During the election campaign) ..There was no sustained debate on weapons of mass destruction, security, intelligence failures, the Iraq war, or politicisation of the public service and armed forces. It is as if Howard said to Labor, "Don't mention the war, or Aborigines or refugees," and the ALP responded, "We were never going to mention them anyway." George Bush and Tony Blair have suffered collateral damage over Iraq, but Howard has been completely unscathed. The US ambassador would have been thrilled by the campaign. Howard was quoted as expressing surprise at Labor's restraint.

Labor failed to pursue the issue of credibility and truth in government. Truth in government was raised by the 43 retired diplomats and military officers, but Labor let the subject drop. The "truth in government" issue produced a very cynical reaction in Australia: "All politicians lie." Labor senator John Faulkner made a powerful point: all his investigative work in the Senate on issues on which the Government was indefensible appeared to make no public impact. Australia seemed to have a more cynical reaction than the US or Britain, along the lines of: "So what? Who cares?"

..Aborigines were never mentioned in the campaign, nor refugees, because they are perceived as minority causes, completely repudiated under "wedge politics". We are more affluent but meaner, more divided, more preoccupied with immediate economic self-interest. The division between rich and poor has never been wider - a plurality of Australians are doing well, and bugger the rest. Economics triumphed; ethics, compassion and diversity came nowhere. The Government is morally bankrupt - and Labor is not too far behind.


...Labor suffers from policy anorexia, except in education and health. The 2004 ALP national conference produced masses of policy papers - but how many party activists, let alone citizens, could identify the five most important policy decisions adopted at that conference? What could we have put on the T-shirts or the bumper stickers?

Too many policy areas were left out - arts, Aborigines, refugees, water, foreign affairs, women, "the third age", the ABC, science, population and immigration, trade and industry, industrial relations.


....The ALP is not, and should not be, simply a machine that organises election campaigns every few years - it needs to provide spiritual, ethical and intellectual nourishment to the Australian people, and promote a creative, generous nation. Labor must promote an inclusive agenda, not an excluding one.

At present, there is a significant disenfranchisement of Labor's traditional vote, people who feel lonely and alienated from the party they have always voted for. If Labor does not bring them home, the party's heart and mind will die.


http://theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/21/1098316784887.html
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 03:14 am
Go Barry.

I see the Russians have ratified Kyoto. That makes Australia (the largest greenhouse gas generator per capita) and the US (the largest greenhouse gas generator by volume) the new axis of evil.

Frigging Campbell (our environment minister, apparently) says we didn't want to be associated with half-assed measures. Ergo no measures are better than half-assed.

Every day I see something from the top that makes me wince and be ashamed of my nationality - only recently Downer was bagging Mary Hussain for being in Baghdad - Alexander, you tool, she's lived there for thirty years! Her husband is an Iraqi.

Help me bejeebus.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 04:05 am
Downer is bagging any Ozzian who gets taken.

Clearly trying to pretend that the situation is under control.

Makes me sick.

Man, Labor is behaving badly.....sigh...
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 04:42 am
Yep, they sure are.

Caught between a rock and hard place and lacking the balls to catch the imagination.

The whole country shifts to the right (which, oddly enough, I correlate with making a decent education harder to get) your traditional voter strongholds, blue collar workers and intellectuals, are shrinking in proportion to total population so Labour shifts to the right in a vain attempt to grab the middle ground - and are too terrified to bag America, our involvement in Iraq, govt treatment of indigenes and refugees, because the vast majority of us just don't care, as long as mortgages are manageable and property prices keep rising.

However, on the brighter side, if I look at the cloud's silver lining through rose coloured glasses with a grain of salt... Bush is a leftwing genius with the fight against global warming as his main agenda item.

He tricks big business and vast swathes of rednecks that he's their saviour and gets elected (courtesy of a few under the counter payments to the judiciary) and once in he looks for any excuse to destabilize the middle east (still with me?). Supporting a maniac in Israel against all logic doesn't work but courtesy of a couple of planes in a building he has his excuse....

He attacks Iraq, chaos reigns, oil prices shoot through the roof, every one starts riding bikes and suddenly alternative energy looks very appealing. The Toyota Prius becomes the biggest selling model in the world... you can do your own extrapolations from there...

Remember, the victor writes history.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 04:46 am
Lol!!

Fabulous example of conspiracy theory...
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2004 04:54 am
<bows> <smiles sheepishly>
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