U.S. War on Terrorism: Change in World Opinion?

argome321 wrote:
I mean you have got to love all the peace and security that we are having now.


A lot of which can be put down to the illegal invasion of Iraq. Compare that to Kosovo, when the decision to act was for the right reason.

For one this was a sarcastic reply to timur.

It's a very simple concept, you're the one who seems to have problems dealing with the realities of world politics and diplomacy.

There was a lot of conviction leading up to the illegal war in Iraq, and that was a total screw up.

We are living the consequences now and it's not the way Argome sees the problem that will solve the situation.

No, I thought America was too busy trying not to offend the middle east and it's Allies like France.

Really? That's what you thought?

So illegally invading Iraq was all about placating France and saudia Arabia?

Your point seems to be that the whole problem with the war in Iraq wasn't the way it was conducted, but the failed attempt to get a Security Council resolution authorising action.

That's mental, that was the only thing that was right about the war. Imagine if Dubya had actually obeyed international law and not invaded, Putin might have thought twice about flouting it. No ISIS in Iraq, and a stable Afghanistan benefitting from the resources squandered in Iraq.

The problem with the Iraq war is that it was a total cock up from start to finish. It was based on a huge lie, Saddam had no WMDs. The intelligence was piss poor, not only did they not appreciate the sectarian nature of Iraq, they thought they'd be welcomed as liberators. There was no plan whatsoever about what to do post Saddam, which lead to rampant corruption. Prior to the invasion Dubya pissed off the Shia, (who should have been allies,) by including Iran in his moronic axis of evil speech. And the whole thing was done on the cheap.

World opinion said the invasion was wrong because it was wrong. It was an illegal, based on a lie, ill thought out, badly resourced, bereft of any real intelligence, underfunded, ill conceived, almighty screw up. You can pour conviction over that sorry mess by the bucket load and it's still a screw up.

What you don't seem to get, is that it's sometimes in America's best interests to listen to what other nations have to say instead of going half cock at something and screwing up.

The concept of war being legal or illegal is a silly concept. You think those who die in war give a crap? You think that they are any less dead?

Do you have facts for your reasoning?

Here again I'll make my point, one it seems you fail to understand. The US should make definitive decisions either one way or another and not be influenced by any other countries, that is in the best interest of the US and live with it regardless of the ramifications.

I just want a definitive decision.
I don't care how unstable a region is, that in and of it self doesn't mean you can't make a definitive stance if you have the guts to do so.

argome321 wrote:

I mean you have got to love all the peace and security that we are having now.

A lot of which can be put down to the illegal invasion of Iraq. Compare that to Kosovo, when the decision to act was for the right reason.

The problem is you're saying very little. We all want politicians with conviction who will act in our nation's interests. You don't seem to be able to say how that would work in any given situation.

There's no real argument on your part, first you claim the failure of the Iraq war was down to a lack of conviction, too much time wasted on the French and the Arabs. Now when the real reasons for the fiasco are pointed out you accuse me of putting words in your mouth.

The problem is, you don't have a coherent argument, other than meaningless platitudes about conviction and the romantic concept of going it alone. You seem quite divorced from the realities of global politics.

There are three doors A, B and C. You are asked to pick one. You pick one and what ever transpires you accept and live with no matter the consequences and with out regret. You show leadership qualities. That's it in a nut shell.

I don't need facts for an opinion

Do you have facts for your reasoning?

the American misadventures in the Middle East over the past 35 years were in the best interest of the US? really?

you have no business taking action on a stance when your country does not understand the situation - ignoring experts who do know something about the situation just makes you look stupid - and in the case of the US and the Middle East has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people

Let each country be responsible for their own actions.

other people need facts but you don't?