Can world survive Islam.

@Thomas,

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How was Hitler not a Catholic?

Did he attend Mass, Confession, try to improve the lives of those he met, prayed for help to make him a better person...you get the idea . There are many people esp nowadays, who are born into a religion and as soon as they are old enough they leave . Do they belong to that religion ? Which religion were you born into, Tom ?

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@Thomas,

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Second, the claim is false.

That hasnt been proven . How many deaths throughout history have been due to Christianity and how many to Islam ? I expect the totals will tell us . You do know the totals before making a claim like that, dont you ?

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@Setanta,

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The Southern Poverty Law Center, respected world wide for their efforts to track hate groups

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Respected by self serving race baiters. The SPLC is a hate group itself. It only shows how you are just another barely useless idiot. And they only hire white lawyers.

And Christianity is responsible for about 17 million deaths. WWII was not a Christian thing. Islam is at 270 million and counting.

http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Objec/G-0101.htm

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@fill,

270 millions? How is that even possible?

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@Setanta,

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The ADL is a Jewish organization, and cannot reasonably be characterized as having a pro-Muslim bias.

This only contributes to my earlier impression, that you just might be anti-Semitic with exceptional sentiment to Muslims, considering the way you advocating for innocence of Islamic religion, at the same time demonizing Christians. Did I read you wrong? But even if I didn't, please don't be offended. After all everyone is in title to have own opinion, and anti-Semitism stays in fashion in today's politics (on the left). That makes you fashionable, prominent, proud democrat.

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@Thomas,

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As Setanta and others pointed out, Christianity did far worse things as Isis is doing today back in the Middle Ages.

But we are NOT in Middle Ages, Thomas! You and Satanta need to grip the reality. We are all living in today's world! Besides it is not true that one religion was more cruel than the other. IN THE PAST both were committing heinous acts of violence. And today, right here, on this forum, we are NOT debating problems from the past history. We are discussing present. The problem existing right now, is that while Christianity grew up out of Crusades and violence, and was "civilized", Islamic religion for some reason cannot snap a out of medieval rituals, beliefs and mind set. With those preconditions they are vulnerable to be manipulated, and radicalized. Rest can be left to anyone's imagination, and for us to debate.

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@andy31,

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As Setanta and others pointed out, Christianity did far worse things as Isis is doing today back in the Middle Ages.

But we are NOT in Middle Ages,

this is how you started this thread ...

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Everyone, who's not Muslim should agree today, that in the human history, there was no other religion, even remotely as barbaric, distructive, and violent as Islam is.

good effort to bait and switch but Thomas and Set tend not to lose track of the thread of the discussion

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@Setanta,

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By the way, one usually abbreviates World War Two as WWII

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Yes, you are right. Sorry about this. Somehow I didn't catch that. I had it backwards on my speed-typing words.

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@ehBeth,

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good effort to bait and switch but Thomas and Set tend not to lose track of the thread of the discussion

They lost track of the facts. The revisionist view they support is complete bull.

Also they do not discuss the difference in the doctrines that clearly show Christian leaders distorting the message for their advantage. While, on the other hand, the heinous acts of Islam are sanctioned by that doctrine.

There is no getting around that fact.

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@ehBeth,

Hey Beth, you are not catching it, are you?
The point is that Muslims, either 1000 years back or now, still behave the same.

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I think everyone should acknowledge Christianity has killed many, so has Islam, so has Hinduism...the far eastern religions, not so much...Paganism and Atheism are also major killers .

No one has offered believable proof of which is the worst. If you include Christianity in the new world, then it probably is slightly ahead of Islam in deaths , but that is just a feeling and not very scientific .

I regard WW2 as a Christian defensive war, where Christian ideals were defended against Atheist Russia and psuedo-religious Nazism . Christian Democratic ideals are once again under threat and we have another defensive law against a ultra religious undemocratic Islam .

Islam is definitely the current worry .

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@andy31,

Oh I caught onto you a while ago.

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@ehBeth,

I bet you did. Now if you do the same on the topic.

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@andy31,

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The sad fact for rest of human civilization is, that Islam is spreading faster then wild fire, faster then most aggressive cancer.
The reason why is, as we all know, that Muslims promoting poligamy, and they are multiplying fast

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There should a program put in place to firstly stop political correctness, appeasement. Secondly stop muslim emigrants globally from spreading around the world. No more building mosques. Sometimes it'll be difficult but in some cases the only way to fight fire is with fire. Our very survival depends on recognizing the problem, and on dealing with it forcefully.

Do you promulgate a tertiary solution to this putative problem?

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@Thomas,

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. . . Second, the claim is false. As Setanta and others pointed out, Christianity did far worse things as Isis is doing today back in the Middle Ages. And since your original claim is that Islam is the most barbaric IN HUMAN HISTORY, bringing up the Middle Ages if a fair objection. Your baiting and switching on the point does not reflect well on your capacity to learn from your mistakes.

I've also brought up the Srebrenica massacre, during which Serb Orthodox Christians slaughtered more than 8000, unarmed, non-combatant men and boys. That was in the summer of 1995, and so is clearly contemporary. He has never addressed that. While your point, which i also made to him, about human history is valid, he assiduously ignores any contradictory evidence. For example, we get what i suspect are crocodile tears from him about how Muslims treat women. The Serbs in Bosnia set up rape camps. Girls as young as 13 were kept in those camps to "service" Serb fighters. If they became pregnant, they were kept there so that they could not have an abortion.

This joker only sees what he wants to see, and what he sees is that Muslims are evil and the rest of the world are innocent. That is why i have decided that he is a bigot, and what's more, an irredeemable bigot.

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@andy31,

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Did I read you wrong?

You sure as hell have done so. There is no logical way to extract a claim that i'm antisemitic from what i've said about the ADL. This shows you to be delusional, and the gratuitous insult just further confirms my disgust with you. You're a f*cking idiot and a low-life scum bag.

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It appears that this "fill" is a christian religious fanatic. There's no real surprise in that.

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@usery,

Do you promulgate a tertiary solution to this putative problem?

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Sadly, there is no more solutions. I'm convinced, there's only two outcomes that future hold for us: either we all will be swallowed by Islam, and eventually forsed to submission, or, after pushed to brink of desperation, we will recognize the problem, and while still able, we will implement mentioned measures, and at the same time spearing our civilization.

I wish to see a reason for optimism, but the best one I found is hope for history not to confront us in our lifetime with this kind of reality.

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@Setanta,

You only reinforced my beliefs that it is YOU who is a bigot here, anti semi. Anytime confronted with truth, you would spew hate, exposing your compulsive - explosive behavior.
Your egregious outbursts of despicable acts ware aggravating at first. Now it becomes comical display of your inability to hold any debate that would contradict your twisted views.

You have discredited the source given to you for being Jewish, and than you have a stomach to blame me for drawing conclusion. You are piece of art man!

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@andy31,

Jesus, you don't have the brains to be in a debate. I didn't discredit your Jihad Watch bullshit because it was Jewish, nor is there even the most remote basis for such a claim. I discredited it for being ultra-right wing. Furthermore, i pointed out that it is supported by a far right wing organization, condemned by the ADL. So, are you now going to claim that the ADL, an organization respected throughout the world community, is antisemitic because they condemn the David Horowitz Freedom Center [sic]? Even though the ADL is a Jewish organization? Really, you can't reason properly, you muddle the ideas that others present here, you erect one straw man after the other (i have never once "advocated for innocence of Islamic religion.") (God your English sucks--it just makes it that much harder to wade through your stupidity.)

You have attacked me again and again in this thread, and made one false accusation after the other. Now our want to get on your high horse and express some righteous indignation. It would be funny if you weren't so pathetic.

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