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Does the Bible's creation account rule out the possibility that the universe began with the big bang

 
 
Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 10:47 am
Simply put, no. The Bible simply says: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1) It does not comment on exactly how God created everything. So even if a cosmic explosion produced our universe, that would not contradict what is stated in the Bible. Rather, Genesis 1:1 would answer the quesiton, Who caused the big bang?

Of course, many scientists believe that the big bang was a spontaneous, undirected event that led to the self-arranging of particles of matter into stars and planets over a period of time. The Bible does not support that view but states that the formation of the universe was a direct act of God, whether he employed some sort of cosmic explosion or some other method of creation.
 
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 10:49 am
@anthony1312002,
Do you think he used dynamite?

Or had it not been invented back then?
anthony1312002
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 10:56 am
@Lordyaswas,
LOL! Nice reply.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 11:02 am
That a book written that long ago does not contradict what we know of modern physics today is pretty amazing all by itself.

There are a number of other creation stories that do.

Dynamite was not involved in any of them however..
anthony1312002
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 11:08 am
@Leadfoot,
You are so right! The Bible is truly unique in this. Thus further prooving that the Bible has as it's source and author, Jehovah God.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 11:25 am
It's just like Yin and yang, or Mork and Mindy.

Bless.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 11:46 am
@anthony1312002,
anthony1312002 wrote:
Simply put, no. The Bible simply says: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

The bible doesn't talk much about cosmic inflation or stellar evolution or the 10 billion years that came between the beginning and the earth. So it's not really surprising that it doesn't contradict anything, because it doesn't really say anything of any value either.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 12:01 pm
The Biblical creation story directly contradicts science in many ways, including...

1) The Earth is created before the stars.
2) The Earth isn't rotating at first.
3) The birds are made before land creatures.
4) The time between the creation of the stars and the creation of humans is 6 days.
5) Human beings are made out of dirt.
6) There is a talking snake.

(... and I could go on and on).

The idea that the Earth is created before the stars certainly rules out the Big Bang.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 12:22 pm
@rosborne979,
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The bible doesn't talk much about cosmic inflation or stellar evolution or the 10 billion years that came between the beginning and the earth. So it's not really surprising that it doesn't contradict anything, because it doesn't really say anything of any value either.
And just what other books of the period speak of such things? That's a rediculous standard.

Just the fact of the universe having a beginning is counterintuitive. We didn't have that knowledge until something like 40 CENTURIES later.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 12:32 pm
@maxdancona,
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The Biblical creation story directly contradicts science in many ways, including...
There are many plausible explanations for your list of 'contradictions'. For example, you only assume that the separation of night and day means the earth was not spinning. It could easily be explained by the fact that solar systems form simultaneously with the planets and the sun of the system does not light up until critical mass and temperature is achieved. So in effect, the earth did exist before what we know as the sun reached that point. The separation of night and day could simply mean the point where the ball of hydrogen ignited and became the sun. The earth was no doubt spinning already.
anthony1312002
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 01:13 pm
@maxdancona,
Actually the Bible does not show that the earth was created before the universe but afteward. Regarding point 4, although the term day is used for each of the creative periods, it does not support that each day was a literal 24 hour day as some erroneously beleive, but that each day could have been several millions years in length. And it is an established scientific fact that the elements making up the human body are found in the soil of the earth. And lastly, a close examination of the text regarding the serpant shows that the snake itself did not have the ability to speak on it's own, but rather, it was made to appear to be able to speak as a vintriloquist can make it appear that a doll can speak.

Thus the Bible does in fact stand in complete harmony with what is now known through science as it relates to the creation account.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 01:16 pm
@anthony1312002,
Please rationalize all the contradictions in the bible.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 01:17 pm
@Leadfoot,
Answer this Leadfoot,

Which formed first, the Earth or the Stars?
anthony1312002
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 01:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Give me an example of some.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 01:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Please rationalize all the contradictions in the bible.
Please name one for a place to start.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 01:37 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Answer this Leadfoot,

Which formed first, the Earth or the Stars?
Please explain the value of this information to an ancient agricultural society. Then we will understand why the information was left out.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 02:21 pm
@neologist,
The question is whether the Bible's creation account rules out the possibility that the Universe began with the Big Bang.

The Biblical account directly contradicts our modern scientific understanding of the big bang. It isn't just that information was omitted.

The Biblical account clearly says that the Earth was formed before the stars. There is no reason that the Biblical account has to contradict science in this way. The ancient agrarian societies would have understood the story just as well if it said the stars had existed long before the Earth was formed.

The Bible simply gets it wrong.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 02:34 pm
@maxdancona,
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Answer this Leadfoot,

Which formed first, the Earth or the Stars?
To be a valid question, you would have to specify which star(s) since there were stars formed both before and after earth, and stars that are forming as we speak. I was speaking in terms of one star (our sun) since the bible is decidedly 'earth centric'.
Scientists pooh - pooh this as absurd (see mediocrity principle) but have come up with no evidence of extra terrestrial life, so as of now, no contradiction there either.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 02:42 pm
@Leadfoot,
In the Genesis account, God made the vegetation on the third day (Gen 1:11). At this point clearly the Earth had been formed.

God made the stars (including the Sun) on the fourth day (Gen 1:14-16). Before this point there were no stars.

Do you agree with this Leadfoot?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 02:59 pm
@Leadfoot,
It doesn't matter which stars. Stars before earth is the fact.
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