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Can world survive Islam.

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 09:05 pm
@Setanta,
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accuse them of ungoverned emotionalism
Shocked Is this the same **** for brains who hunts down newcomers and tries to get worshiped but when they stick to their opinion, right or wrong, he tries to dissuade them by abuse ?

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man, your English really sucks
How do you feel about orifce5fingers ? He's French you know...how do you feel about wetbacks ?

You do seem to be making an effort to be reasonable...I think I will ease up and see what happens . Confused
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 09:12 pm
@layman,
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the muslim takeover of the Israeli compound at the 1972 Olympics
A clear threat to world peace and the Miss Universe contest...all those fit athletes prancing around like that...someone had to do something about it ! Al'Lah willed it !

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then all the executioners were gunned down by the cops
No, the Mossad hunted them down one by one and executed them . God I wish I could have helped !

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A dirty nuke going off in NYC would only prove to them how "great" Allah is, ya know?
It makes sense . Allahu Akbar If you have an all powerful diety of course he wants you to wet your pyjamas over being able to murder...its not as though God could do it himself you know...these people know what God wants and never stop to realise the blasphemy inherent it that alone .
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 09:28 pm
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In October, after more than 20 years at the left's house organ, the Nation, Hitchens announced his decision to leave the magazine. "I have come to realize that the magazine itself takes a side ... the amoral side ... in this argument and is becoming the voice and echo chamber of those who truly believe that John Ashcroft is a greater menace than Osama bin Laden," he said.

Since then, Hitchens has made a leftist moral case for the war in Iraq, based largely on his contention that using American military power is legitimate if it ends gross human rights violations like those being committed against Iraqi civilians by Saddam Hussein, a sentiment notably absent from most antiwar rallies.


http://www.csudh.edu/dearhabermas/leftperspdef01.htm

It was mutual between "The Nation" and "Hitch the Snitch," as Hitchens came to be called by muslim apologists. He was persona non grata in the PC crowd on the left, eh?
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andy31
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 09:44 pm
@layman,
Everything you said is right on the money. I'm not sure how many people realize that those bastards love death more then we love life.
If you add to this equation the fact, that Muslim population growth is exploding, and number of radical Muslims growing even faster, our future does not look so colorful. The world has to prepare for some rough ride.
many military tacticians already expressed the opinion that our existing rules of engagement can not apply anymore. We can't take prisoners.
The only way to win the war with terrorists is to kill them all, or they will kill us.
layman
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 09:47 pm
@andy31,
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I'm not sure how many people realize that those bastards love death more then we love life.


That is in fact the motto of Hamas (written into their charter, I think), to wit: "We love death more than the jews love life."
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 09:59 pm
@andy31,
But if you ask the so-called "liberals" what we do is far worse--like "torturing" muslims in POW compounds by putting women's panties on their sorry heads, ya know?

Torture? I don't think so! Homey don't play dat. Sheeit, I know a lot of liberals who would pay good money for that to happen to them.
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UnseenEuphemism
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 11:06 pm
@andy31,
It does not matter. It isn't our decision to make, we may not agree with it but we do have to respect Muslim belief and tradition. It can only change from within through the desire of it's adherents, if any try to externally impose their own ideology and wishes it will be opposed and create conflict.
However it is the same for Islam, they cannot force their beliefs on others without being opposed in turn.
Though I do not understand why it matters, all you are doing is applying your own ethics to their religious system i.e. applying mechanics from one system to another. Corruption will result, better to consider it a separate system and develop new mechanics (ethics) for their system.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 11:37 pm
I was reading a view a couple of weeks back the the goal of ISIS is to bring about the end of time, the end of humans on Earth. I dont know if this is so because I dont know enough about ISIS but it got me to thinking. Maybe all of this evil doing by members of Islam is their version of demonstrating the same hopelessness and giving up.... the same spiritual problem, that we have in the West. I dont believe that Jesus is coming and that we are all over, but I am pretty sure that life as we know it is ending, that this civilization is ending and that a new one will be born.

And terrorism will help wash out the old, because between terrorism and an over crowded over stressed planet we are going to have no choice but to bring in a global government with a global police force. I personally think that this happens within 50 years of either a nuke war or multiple nuke terrorism attacks.

I am going to blame Islam for a propensity to commit acts of evil, but the problem is a lot bigger than that, the problem is the spiritual ill health of modern man. And I have a theory on the root cause: I think it is that life is too easy now because of our use of science to build a technical tools, which by the way is one of the points muslim terrorists make constantly. We are like the work dog that has nothing important to do so it becomes violent lashing out, out of boredom partly but more so because its life does not suit its nature. The life that is imposed upon the individual by the systems in place do not suit the individual, and so the individual falls apart over time.

Some of us are busy, though this economy increasingly does not need the labor of all of the society, and we are being told that robotics will in the next 20 years massively cut down on the percentage of the society that will find employment, but most people who do have jobs dont fill our days doing anything of much importance and/or that challenges us.

We lost sight of what matters, we let our obsessions with fantasies about the easy life erase our knowledge that we need to have a reason to get up in the morning, that we need to have something important to do with our days.

Point of fact: I have been arguing for years that women lost their way, became bored and neurotic, because technology made their days too easy. Then they wanted to start doing mens work, but men were not interested because they themselves were suffering the same problem, just to a lesser degree. Then we had the blow up of feminism, as women demanded more work, refused to take no for an answer.

Technical society is but one part of the problem though, almost as big a problem is that we now are cogs to be plugged into the economic system, we serve it, when it is supposed to serve us. This is just one more of the many ways that we took our eyes off the ball, forgot what is important. That is why this civilization is now in a death spiral.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 01:27 am
@andy31,
It's not a stretch at all. I see you continue to avoid the topic of Srebrenica. Serbs, Orthodox Christians, killed more than 8000 unarmed, non-combatant Bosnian men and boys, simply because they were Bosnian, and therefore nominally Muslim. This happened not quite 20 years ago, not in the distant past. Boko Haram and al Shebaab will have to work long and hard to even approach that meany deaths, let alone kill that many people in a single incident. So how would you characterize that? The Serbs have an 11th century mentality? It seems to me that you conveniently see only what you want to see.

As for the Revolutionary Guard going to war with ISIS, that is only likely to happen if ISIS threatens Shi'ite shrines. Right now, those stumble bums in ISIS aren't even close to doing that. By why would you care, it appears that you want to see Muslims exterminated. I would think you would be delighted at the prospect of two groups of Muslims slaughtering one another. Keep in mind what i have already pointed out--ISIS has overwhelmingly killed other Muslims, rather than any other group. Also, keep Hitler in mind. It doesn't matter what you think about it, the Muslims will have to go a long way to even come close to that record of slaughter. Here is how Hitler saw himself, a knight in shining armor:

http://www.thirdreichruins.com/lanzingerbannertraeger.jpg

Even if he had been cynical about it, it worked as propaganda.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you are not acting as a bigot here (though clearly you were in your thread about homosexuals). You need to get a much more balanced view, to get a sense of perspective.
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 02:10 am
I wonder if the better question isn't whether the world can survive religions.
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andy31
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 04:25 am
@Setanta,
Srebrenica massacre was a gruesome act of domestic etnic genocide, sparked over territorial dispute between Serbs and Bosniaks after Yugoslavia was dissolved in 1991, and it had little to do with religion, or particularly Christians killing Muslims. It just so happen that one site had christian background, while the other was mainly Muslims. Equal relevance would have genocide committed by Mao Tse-Tungin in China
So, clearly this is comparing apples and oranges.
I would definitely put the following question on debate:
Which one of us see here only what he wants to see?
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As for the Revolutionary Guard going to war with ISIS, that is only likely to happen if ISIS threatens Shi'ite shrines.


What are you talking about... Iranians are already in Iraq fighting ISIS.

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Right now, those stumble bums in ISIS aren't even close to doing that. 


Well, I hope you not underestimating them, and share opinion with Obama that they are JV team?
So far they grabbed most of the territories from 2 countries, caused chaos in few others, and despite bombing from all directions, it appears they don't feel it much.

If you think ISIS, Boco Horam, Al-Qaeda, Al- Shabaab or others only want to kill other Muslims - you are delusional.

And yes, you got that right. Best if those bustards (radical muslims) kill off each other. Less work for us! Than only what we would have to worry about, would be to slow the spread of rest of Muslims.

You trying to compare the number of killings now, to what Hitler or other maniacs caused? You just give them a chance. They just warming up. It took Hitler 5 long years to cause almost 80 million deads.

Going back to killing all terrorists, I think we should give them what they love so much - death, so they can finally meet their Allah.

In my humble opinion, we are approaching the point of final decision, them or us.
argome321
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 05:25 am
@andy31,
Apocalyptic, the Rapture, End of times, Dooms day...aren't too many half filled glasses guys around here uh? Sounds familiar.
argome321
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 06:00 am
@argome321,
A world become one of salads and sun only a fool would say that
A boy with a plan, a natural man wearing a white Stetson hat
Unhand that gun begone there's no one to fire upon
If he's holding it high, he's telling a lie

I heard it was you talkin' about a world
Where all is free, it just couldn't be
And only a fool would say that

The man in the street draggin' his feet, don't wanna hear the bad news
Imagine your face there is his place, standing inside his brown shoes
You do his nine to five drag yourself home half alive
There on the screen a man with a dream

I heard it was you talkin' about a world
Where all is free, it just couldn't be
And only a fool would say that

Anybody on the street has murder in his eyes
You feel no pain and you're younger then you realize
Only a fool would say that, only a fool

I heard it was you talkin' about a world
Where all is free, it just couldn't be
And only a fool would say that, only a fool would say that
Only a fool would say that

Songwriters
BECKER, WALTER CARL / FAGEN, DONALD JAY



Read more: Steely Dan - Only A Fool Would Say That Lyrics | MetroLyrics
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 07:00 am
@argome321,
Interesting text, good musac, thanks!


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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 07:47 am
@andy31,
This is about the last time i'm going to waste any effort on you. You are so dedicated to what is essentially a bigoted point of view that now you are just arguing for argument's sake, and because you won't give up or even modify your point of view.

Ignoring the religious element in the Bosnian Serb agenda, especially the propaganda of Radovan Karadžić is either the product of brute ignorance or complete dishonesty. Furthermore, the Serbs were prepared to do the same thing in Kosovo, until NATO intervened. Saying it had little to do with religion is either stupid or disingenuous. Even if it hadn't been about religion, the question is whether or not Islam is dangerous, and motive doesn't matter in such a comparison. In a terrible series of wars, beginning with the Nine Years War in 1689 and continuing through the end of the second world war, millions and millions and millions of people have been killed. Islamic nations haven't cause a tithe of such suffering and death, nor instituted wars on anything like that scale.

The Revolutionary Guard has not intervened in Iraq. Iraqi Shi'ite militias had Persian military advisers and officers, which is not at all the same as the Revolutionary Guard intervening directly in Iraq. Once again, this is either ignorance of willful dishonesty.

ISIS invaded Al-Anbar last June. Al-Anbar is Iraq's western desert, so controlling that doesn't mean much in the larger scheme of things. But they didn't even overrun Al-Anbar. The government in Baghdad was on the ropes. Al-Maliki was on the ropes. His was a minority, Shi'ite tribal government. That sort of thing is not uncommon in the middle east, but what was uncommon was that he had managed to alienate almost all the other Shi'ite tribal leaders and politicians. That was why it was so easy for Obama to get al-Maliki pushed aside.

But ISIS didn't try to drive on Baghdad, they left a holding force and drove on Tikrit. They tipped their hand when they did that. Tikrit was Saddam's home town, his full name was Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti. It showed that the leadership of ISIS was Iraqi--ex-pats who had been high in the Ba'ath Arab Socialist Party, or in the Republican Guard. Did they then turn on Baghdad? No, they invaded Iraqi Kurdistan, and robbed some banks, killing all the Shi'ites they came upon. (They have stupidly squandered all the money they robbed from those banks, too, but this post will be too long as it is.)

Then, they left yet another holding force and turned back to the west to invade Syrian Kurdistan. Either they have no coherent operational plan, or they are a pack of military loons who wouldn't know a coherent operational plan if it bit them in the ass. Personally, i think both apply. All they have done is kill lots of people and destabilize a region which was pretty shaky to begin with. The one thing they didn't do is establish a reliable military base of operations. Basically, they are, as they were a year ago, a pack of fanatical brigands.

If they don't feel the bombing (a bit of journalistic fantasy the television news has been peddling), why have they been driven back in Al-Anbar and Iraqi Kurdistan? Why have they been driven out of Tikrit? Why did they fail to overrun Syrian Kurdistan? Murderous they certainly are. But they are not the big bogeyman that journalists (a clueless pack) have made them out to be.

At no time did i say that the object of all those movements was to kill other Muslims. Try to keep the idiotic straw men to yourself. All i said was that the overwhelming majority of the victims of ISIS have been other Muslims.

These Islamist groups, except for ISIS, have been around a lot longer than five years. Al Qaeda has been in business for almost 30 years. When they buy armored cars, they're pissing down a hole, because they don't have people qualified to maintain or repair them, so if they break down or their opponents hit them RPGs, they become so much scrap metal. The Germans in 1939 had logistical infrastructure and expertise. The Islamist don't even know what those words mean. The western reaction of clueless journalists and paranoid conservatives has been a Chicken Little exercise.

Your opinion should be humble, because it is based on ignorance and a very narrow and shallow view. This post of yours convinces me that you are a hateful bigot. It is no longer worthwhile to even talk to you.
fill
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 09:02 am
@Setanta,
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This post of yours convinces me that you are a hateful bigot. It is no longer worthwhile to even talk to you.


It is just a way to say Andy31 has won this argument.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 09:04 am
@fill,
Sure Buddy . . . what did he win?

Ed, what do we have for our winning contestant today?

Johnny, it's a BRAND NEW CAR ! ! !
fill
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 09:14 am
@Setanta,
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Sure Buddy . . . what did he win?


What do you care? You are done with him. Your ego is showing.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 09:35 am
@fill,
Ah-hahahahahahahahahaha . . .

Sarcasm is beyond you , huh?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2015 10:23 am
I guess the world will 'survive Islam', if that means survive radical islamism as an ideology. These things ebb and flow, as communism did.
 

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