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What good does religion offer the world today?

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 10:10 am
@cicerone imposter,
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Why did god's voice end during biblical time?

I really liked Izzy's answer. It hasn't ended, but you need a codec to 'hear' it.
If you've ever tried to listen to an MP3 file as if it were a wmv file, it sounds like noise. You gotta use the right codec.
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Glennn
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 10:13 am
@izzythepush,
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It may have had something to do with switching from analogue to broadband.

Not so much the switch as the failure of the god to provide converter-boxes.
Glennn
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 10:20 am
@Leadfoot,
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You keep offering false choices. I'm sure Moses had his own flaws, nobody said he was perfect, but you offer his flaws as proof of 'no God' or at very least no communication with God.

I'm not offering choices here. I'm pointing out that a guy who purports to speak for the god, while at the same time condoning the rape of the victims of war, cannot be taken seriously as a man who has the ear of a top-shelf divine being.
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Leadfoot
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 10:26 am
@Glennn,
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Not so much the switch as the failure of the god to provide converter-boxes.

You have to ask for one. Part of that free will thing.
Glennn
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 10:31 am
@Leadfoot,
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You have to ask for one.

Don't tell me. Tell Moses.
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Glennn
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 10:48 am
@Leadfoot,
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a path to become wives or free women rather than rape, etc..

Really? So their families and friends are murdered, their heads are shaven, they're given to one of the murderers, and then given thirty days to "get over it," and if it doesn't work out, they're "free" to be free. Does that mean she goes back to her village and family and friends . . . oh, wait.
Leadfoot
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 11:15 am
@Glennn,
Remember the context - war. War sucks, don't it? I can tell you first hand that this has not changed.
Glennn
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 12:39 pm
@Leadfoot,
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Remember the context - war.

But of course. After being attacked by the Midianites, what choice did Moses, the Israelites, and the god have but to force the victims of war into marital relationships--otherwise known as rape?

Tell me why the Midianites attacked the Israelites.
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TheCobbler
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:13 pm
A Lot of a Little
https://www.reverbnation.com/rexredmusicartist/song/24359035-a-lot-of-a-little
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Lilkanyon
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 01:30 pm
Maybe Jesus was just a fraud with really good ideas about how mankind should be kind to each other and true believers created a story around him. He is not the first. The mormons? Hell, for christians, muhammad is denied too. Books written 100 or more years after his death become law over 300 years after his death. Does noone logically ask these questions as we do today?
Glennn
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:05 pm
@Lilkanyon,
Okay, let’s assume that Jesus existed and was crucified. What can we learn from this story? To begin with, primitive-minded humans were convinced that they needed to routinely use the blood of animals to magically have the god’s charges of wrongdoing against them dropped. Then Jesus came and said to everyone that we are to love our neighbors as we love ourselves, and to do unto them as we would have them do unto us. Good lesson. Simple and to the point.

But the control freaks who enjoyed controlling the superstitious people and profiting from their fears didn’t appreciate the words of anyone who would end their selfish game of control and profit. So they crucified this guy named Jesus. The only good part of that incident is that the people were shown, point blank, that when truth showed its face and struck a chord in their hearts, it was tortured, nailed to a stake, and poked with a spear so that it would die. They got to see the true face of the ones they trusted to speak for the god. One painful step for Jesus, and one giant step for humankind. That was a beginning.

Even so, the masses still couldn’t drop the idea of the value of the blood sacrifice. And so the story of Jesus dying on the stake was eventually incorporated into the sacrifice theme in a way that turned his death into a blood sacrifice to end all blood sacrifices. Though it was an extension of the blood sacrifice theme, it was still better than nothing. And today, those who still maintain that the mechanism of forgiveness required the shedding of innocent blood must now deal with those of us who rightly ask how a god of love could possibly use the same techniques as the practitioners of voodoo, and what it is about such a character that draws them to it.

When I was a child, I was forced to go to church. The adults there were given free rein when it came to fukcing with my head. In a not so subtle way, they let me know that I was guilty. And as evidence of my guilt, they held up the fact that I have lying in my past. I couldn’t deny it. Then they held up a picture of a guy with a blood-stained face nailed to a cross, and they basically said, “See that? That’s your fault. He’s taking the punishment that you should be taking because even though you’re a no-good sinner, god loves you enough to torture and kill his only begotten son as a way to let you off the hook.” Something told me that if that’s how things worked, I probably shouldn’t question such a god, as that might . . . set him off. I had enough problems without having to deal with the displeasure of an almighty controller who was ready, willing, and able to do such a thing to even his own kid.
Lilkanyon
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:22 pm
@Glennn,
Oooh, good way of putting it from a tortured personal standpoint. They do say we all find god our own way right? We also find our own denial of god the same way. My "loss of faith", if I really ever had it, came in college. A world mythology class opened my eyes to so many faiths, so much similarity in faith, I would be ignorant not to question how that happened. I came to accept my "faith" was like many before me, a matter of built in expectation more then reality. To this day, I struggle with the idea of an afterlife, even though the existance of it is not based in any logical thought.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 02:26 pm
@Glennn,
It's not an original story. The sacrificed god goes way back. Osiris did it, Odin did it, Marduk did it, Dagon did it. And I'm sure there's plenty of others.
Glennn
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 03:12 pm
@Lilkanyon,
Let's assume that there is something more than what is here. The fact is that we are here, and that's where our focus should be. You don't need to struggle with the idea of an afterlife. Whatever is will be, and it will be a natural affair. No tickets or reservations necessary.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 03:16 pm
@Glennn,
We are only offsprings of primates. Animal life exists on this planet, because the environment is conducive to life. Evolution took care of the rest.
Glennn
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 03:18 pm
@izzythepush,
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It's not an original story.

You're preaching to the choir. But it would be interesting to hear the others in this thread comment on that.
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Lilkanyon
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 03:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

We are only offsprings of primates. Animal life exists on this planet, because the environment is conducive to life. Evolution took care of the rest.


Yeah, Ive never given thought to "why". It is what it is.
Leadfoot
 
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Thu 17 Mar, 2016 06:32 pm
@Lilkanyon,
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Yeah, Ive never given thought to "why".

Confession is good, but maybe you should ask why.

Personally, I couldn't stop.

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Smileyrius
 
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Fri 18 Mar, 2016 04:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
Apparently they were not so keen on Gods voice
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Then they said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die."
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neologist
 
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Sat 19 Mar, 2016 03:22 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
. . . That before Jesus there was something missing from the world, something that had never been conceived of. . . .
Not so.
The world was perfect; Adam and Eve were perfect until Genesis, ch. 3.
 

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