What good does religion offer the world today?

There are plenty of good sound arguments against infinity and time. One of them is that reality cannot grow itself towards nothingness as if nothingness was a place holder for reality to expand into...nothingness is nada, zilch, it is not. It refutes itself. Therefore BEING must be finite complete and motionless. Probably mathematically circular.

The latest I've heard is that space is NOT infinitely divisible. Head is a little fuzzy (just got out of hip replacement surgery) but there is a term for the minimum size of 'space'. And time too as I recall.

I don't buy it but one recent theory of universe's origin was that two quantum particles pushed closer than that minimum distance created the Big Bang. Sounds hokey to me but they had all those Ph.D., PDq's etc after their name so what can I say...

Its called plank scale size and its way way way smaller then a nanometre.
What matters here is not how huge or small its Reality but that it is finite. Therefore its a machine with a fixed number of possible states. Of possible combinations. A huge, humongous Rubik's cube. All those combinations co exist in an out of time perspective, a Meta algorithm. Its a freaking one dimension sequence of pure maths probably. A Platonic object. You call it God, I call it Reality when directing myself to common sense people. BEING is the rightful name. When you speak of ORDER and TRUTH you speak of that "thing"...

I actually did that once but they weren't patio umbrellas. They were unapologetic about the 72 virgin thing and were actually pleased because they wanted their men to be happy and beautiful women were what men wanted most.

Then I asked them what was in it for them. They enthusiastically replied that they would have much jewels and gold adornments because that's what women want most.

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry but I wish I had met them much earlier in life.

I often jaw drop with what people want...
I mean I get it that people may want a coffee a new cellphone a car or whatever...but when those are what they MOST WANT serious delusion and sheer stupidity is right in front of you.

I'm inclined to agree. But they would tell you that they are merely being intellectually honest with themselves and other whereas I am practicing self delusion and wishful thinking.

...yeah people have a hard time conceiving of different frames of mind...
..."we all the same underneath" never stops selling...oddity is something that scares the **** out of some people.

Some people want virgins and jewels and some fish on Friday or paradise and heaven, either way it is superstitious mumbo jumbo.

In the pursuit of striving for what one doesn't have many miss the superb blessing of the here and now.

Guess I'm a greedy bastard. I want it all. I can't think of anything I've really wanted in the 'now' that I didn't get but I want even more 'later'.

However there were things I thought I wanted now that in retrospect would have been a curse if I'd got them. I did waste a few years wishing for them.

I think that my desire for 'more later' saved me from the disappointments those 'now' things would have brought me. In short, I don't feel like I've missed out.

Atheists dont have those kind of conflicts. Our sachems allow us to pillage and plunder unconcerned.

With no fear of hell.....

Like my lack of concern about such things as carbon footprint.

Never bought into that one.

OTOH, you guys just substituted global warming in its place :-)

Really ???
...is that because your bible told you so ?

Sort of: god created this planet, and he can destroy it. I think that's the christian belief, not mine.

Naw, just say'n how alike farmer & me are in ways.

The Bridge Builder
By Will Allen Dromgoole


An old man going a lone highway,

Came, at the evening cold and gray,

To a chasm vast and deep and wide.

Through which was flowing a sullen tide

The old man crossed in the twilight dim,

The sullen stream had no fear for him;

But he turned when safe on the other side

And built a bridge to span the tide.


“Old man,” said a fellow pilgrim near,

“You are wasting your strength with building here;

Your journey will end with the ending day,

You never again will pass this way;

You’ve crossed the chasm, deep and wide,

Why build this bridge at evening tide?”


The builder lifted his old gray head;

“Good friend, in the path I have come,” he said,

“There followed after me to-day

A youth whose feet must pass this way.

This chasm that has been as naught to me

To that fair-haired youth may a pitfall be;

He, too, must cross in the twilight dim;

Good friend, I am building this bridge for him!”

RexRed - Bridge Builder - The Victors