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What good does religion offer the world today?

 
 
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 08:20 am
@neologist,
Consider Hagar, Abraham's second wife, this is how I derived that...

Where is her family represented in the 12 tribes?

(Google)
One of the most interesting women in the Bible is Hagar, Abraham's second wife, and the mother of Ishmael. The Arab and Bedouin tribes claim to be descendants of Ishmael, the son of Abraham and Hagar. According to the Midrash, Hagar was the daughter of King Pharaoh of Egypt.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 08:20 am
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 08:34 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
Consider Hagar, Abraham's second wife, this is how I derived that...

Where is her family represented in the 12 tribes?
Her family is no less important today than any other. So what's your beef?
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 09:03 am
@neologist,
My beef is with the old testament that clearly omitted Hagar's offspring and justified it with some sort of racial hate.

"chosen people"... these are not my words... these are the words of a racist old testament writer. Who then justified genocide on racial grounds.

Are the these words of God? Certainly not my God.

My God is all inclusive of every race on the face of the earth.

Then round it goes, you will counter by saying the new testament does away with that.

NO it does not!

It talks about the "natural branch" and grafted on gentiles...

We are all "equally" part of the same tree of life.

There IS male and there IS female (and people born between) and there IS Jew and gentile and we are all part of the life of the earth and our wondrous cosmos. We are ALL chosen for this life and have the "exact" same worthy progenitors.

The Bible is racist through and through...

I'll have no part of that. I wash my hands of the book and all racist books derived from such a horrible origin..
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 09:28 am
The IRS Is Allegedly Being Pressured Into Taxing Televangelists Thanks To John Oliver
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 09:08 pm
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 03:50 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:

Consider Hagar, Abraham's second wife, this is how I derived that...

Where is her family represented in the 12 tribes?

(Google)
One of the most interesting women in the Bible is Hagar, Abraham's second wife, and the mother of Ishmael. The Arab and Bedouin tribes claim to be descendants of Ishmael, the son of Abraham and Hagar. According to the Midrash, Hagar was the daughter of King Pharaoh of Egypt.


Ew.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132162/2569788-hagar_the_horrible_1.jpg
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 07:03 am
@izzythepush,
Pretty horrible, I say.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 07:06 am
@FBM,
Reminds me of the Gelf bride from Red Dwarf.

https://create-cdn.net/siteimages/32/6/4/326441/10126445.jpg?1435768027
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 07:49 am
@izzythepush,
I am not sure I understand the connection... Hagar the Horrible compared to "supposedly" the mother of the Arab race...
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 09:26 am
@TheCobbler,
Make room for levity, Rex.
It's good for your disposition
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 09:38 am
@neologist,
I do understand what you mean and thanks for the well meant advice Neo. I do not want to always be the heavy, I carry my own baggage too.

Is that the same as watering down my principles?
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 09:41 am
Hawkeye lured me into his "zen socialism" only to return throwing eggs...

I don't mean to ruffle feathers, especially those of the angels. Smile
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 09:45 am
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 09:59 am
@TheCobbler,
I doubt the supposed mother of the Arab race is anything other than a myth. I was just having a bit of fun with the name.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 01:06 pm
@izzythepush,
I apologize for taking it wrong Izzy and I agree Hagar was definitely not the mother of the Arab race contrary to millions of Muslims who believe that.

Similar to the millions of Christians who still believe in Noah's ark. Smile
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 03:07 pm
@TheCobbler,
That's alright mate, no harm done.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 04:28 pm
@izzythepush,
Thanks Smile
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2015 09:35 am
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 10:07 am
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It's part of their heritage...
 

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