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How conservative is Fox News?

 
 
Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 02:03 pm
A lot of people complain about how Fox News is so slanted to the right, and I used to be one of them. But after watching a little bit more closely, I have come to the conclusion that Fox is not the evil right-wing panderers that I thought they were. I feel that they have a small slant in that direction, but not much more, if any, than the left-slant of CNN or The New York Times.

I'd rank them about a 6 on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being ultra-liberal, and 10 being ultra-conservative.

Where would you rank them?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 02:05 pm
I saw Bill O'reilly criticizing the bush admin the other day. I nearly choked to death on my coffee.

Shortly afterwards, satan popped up and asked me to turn the a/c off.

Cycloptichorn
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 02:08 pm
I think that Fox has a definite Conservative slant, although it is not as tilted to the right as some would assert.

I think that the problem is that people have been so inundated for years with liberal media, that anything different sticks out!
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 02:25 pm
I used to watch it quite a bit. It's pretty noticeable how they give the conservatives the last word in all of the debates.

As for Bill and Sean, well...what can be said? Once they come on, it just gets absurdly conservative. I wish they would actually try being "fair and balanced" and have some other people on that is willing to counter their claims.

I also remember reading some article that looked to who Fox goes to for their "expert" opinions on current events and the like. It turns out that something like 80% of them are republican and/or very supportive of the Bush and the administration.

Just a little objectivity can go a loooong way. As it is, I just never watch it anymore. I'm all about the BBC now.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 02:26 pm
Kicky to answer your question first you need to understand that to most of the world, CNN slants right.

A little perspective is needed, as America as a whole is to the right.
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 02:37 pm
I agree with Craven de Kere. CNN leftish? That would make half-Europe Communist. Rolling Eyes
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 02:47 pm
I've heard that CNN slants right to the 'rest of the world'. Not so by my scorekeeping however, but then I look at it squarely from an American right-wing perspective.

Fox tilts right only in that it does not run stories that put the current administration/conservatives/GOP etc. in a bad light without putting whatever positive spin they can on it. I haven't looked as closely, but probably the converse is true re John Kerry/liberals/Democrats etc.

CNN tilts left in that it does not run stories that put the current administration/conservatives/GOP etc. in a positive light without bringing up something negative to go along with it. It often does run stories positive or complimentary for liberals/Democrats without adding any negative points.

O'Reilly for instance is more conservative than he is liberal, but he is an equal-opportunity praiser/basher. He reads his mail every night and gets praise for being pro-whatever, and biting criticism for beig anti-the-same-whatever from fans who were watching the same show. Its all in the perception.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 03:00 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
Kicky to answer your question first you need to understand that to most of the world, CNN slants right.

A little perspective is needed, as America as a whole is to the right.


Interesting. It's tough to get that outsider perspective when you live in the U.S., I guess.

Does that mean that I am an ultra-right winger? Ooooh Nooooooooooooooo!!!
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 03:14 pm
Dunno kicky, you seem very apolitical.

In most countries I am center/right.

Here I am probably perceived as left/center.

But remember, we are talking left/right not liberal/conservative they are wholly different scales. America is more liberal in many ways than most countries, but just not more left.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 03:17 pm
And of course that would depend on whether the contemporary popular definition or the classical definition of liberal is used.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 03:19 pm
The idea that Fox's rightward slant somehow balances CNN's leftward slant is just goofy. Who are the celebrities on Fox, the guys who write best sellers that serve as red meat for the True Believers? Are there equivalent personalities on CNN?

Larry King, CNN's biggest star, is just an idiot. If he's political in any meaningful way, it escapes me...
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Anoxia
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 03:20 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
Kicky to answer your question first you need to understand that to most of the world, CNN slants right.

A little perspective is needed, as America as a whole is to the right.


This is very true.

I voted 9.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 03:35 pm
JustanObserver wrote:
As for Bill and Sean, well...what can be said? Once they come on, it just gets absurdly conservative. I wish they would actually try being "fair and balanced" and have some other people on that is willing to counter their claims.


At least in the case of Hannity, you do have the opposing view, sitting about three feet away, during the whole show. And O'Reilly? I don't think he's absurdly conservative. He's just a bit brusk, which I guess is a trait that is more associated with Repubs. He's not a mindless right wing robot though. I have heard him go after Bush before.

JustanObserver wrote:
I also remember reading some article that looked to who Fox goes to for their "expert" opinions on current events and the like. It turns out that something like 80% of them are republican and/or very supportive of the Bush and the administration.


I never heard that, but just from watching random bits, I can see that you might have that correct.

JustanObserver wrote:
Just a little objectivity can go a loooong way. As it is, I just never watch it anymore. I'm all about the BBC now.


Most of the time, I do too.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 03:40 pm
Well you're entitled to your perception as I am entitled to mine D.

Actually, in the last year or so CNN has veered considerably back toward the right no doubt in an attempt to cut into the ratings Fox is enjoying. But because of the people they use for anchors, they will still generally put at least some leftish spin on their offerings.

I have long believed that if people were given a 'blind' values test administered with no slant, more people would choose more conservative values than people would choose more liberal values. And very few people would score 100% conservative or 100% liberal. I think Fox News satisfies emotional and intellectual needs of those who tilt right of center and that's why it has been so successful. Those tilting left of center probably feel more at home with CNN or one of the alphabet networks.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 03:55 pm
I think you folk are reinventing the terms "left" and such.

"Leftish spin" has meaning you know, and it's not related to American partisanship.

Both American parties are squarely in the right. It's important to remember what "left" and "right" mean.

Maybe you mean to say that it is more Democratic or more American Liberal, but that's not left.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 04:00 pm
When I first posted, I was going by America's definitions, so I guess I can go with "American Liberal" and "American conservative" as being closest to what I meant.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 04:08 pm
Not too sure how useful the AOL dictionary definitions are. It insisted on using "new left" and "new right"

Main Entry: New Left
Function: noun
Date: 1960
: a political movement originating especially among students in the 1960s, favoring confrontational tactics, often breaking with older leftist ideologies, and concerned especially with antiwar, antinuclear, feminist, and ecological issues
- new leftist noun, often capitalized N&Latin

Main Entry: New Right
Function: noun
Date: 1966
: a political movement made up especially of Protestants, opposed especially to secular humanism, and concerned with issues especially of church and state, patriotism, laissez-faire economics, pornography, and abortion
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 04:53 pm
So we can start calling them "neolibs"?
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tony2481
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 04:57 pm
In the context of America, Foxnews is very well to the center. Two people with different points of view are always interviewed at the same time in matters of opinion.

Bill O'Reily always presents his opinion as opinion, and his interview questions are always hard to answer.

Sean & Alan is the most entertaining delivery of relevent political information i've seen.
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tony2481
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2004 04:58 pm
I voted 5 by the way.
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