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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 10 Oct, 2019 02:45 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Yes it is an impeashable offwnse.

Really, explain why it is. Maybe throw a source in there to back you up.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 10 Oct, 2019 05:00 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Yes it is an impeachable offense.

The next Democratic president is guilty of impeachable offenses too. We should start the impeachment inquiry as soon as they take office.

And I mean a real impeachment inquiry (authorized by a vote of the House), not a Pelosi-style phony impeachment inquiry conducted without authorization.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 10 Oct, 2019 05:47 pm
@coldjoint,
How about posting the proof for this allegation as you demand others to do.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 10 Oct, 2019 06:15 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
proof for this allegation

If you are speaking of Hunter Biden, I posted proof of him being a crackhead in the Trump thread.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 08:07 am
@coldjoint,
so post it here.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 09:17 am
@MontereyJack,
Are you saying Hunter Biden wasn't kicked out of the military for doing cocaine?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/joe-bidens-son-hunter-kicked-out-navy-cocaine-n227811

That was an easy search and has been posted on the news before.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 10:28 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
so post it here.

No, go look for it. It might help you learn how to do some research instead of posting mindless rhetoric.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 12:01 pm
@coldjoint,
zzzzzzzz
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2019 03:09 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
zzzzzzzz

The truth hurts , Laughing and apparently makes you sleepy too. Laughing
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 08:29 am

https://i.imgur.com/eMooaxG.jpg
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 11:14 am
@Region Philbis,
They spent that much on Michelle Obama's vacations with her entourage. Another fail.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 05:28 pm
@coldjoint,
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/when-vacations-cost-millions/2320612/

By Compiled by Times editors
Published Apr. 18, 2017

The cost of rest and recreation for U.S. presidents can be hard to calculate. But government records make reasonable estimates possible. The short answer: Taxpayers are footing big bills in security and travel costs for presidents to get away from the White House. President Barack Obama and his family cost the American taxpayers in the range of $100 million during his eight years in office. Right now, President Donald Trump is on track to cost something close to that in his first year.

Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, obtained government records in December 2016 near the end of the Obama administration and summarized the Obama family's eight years of travel, putting the known cost at $96.9 million. "The Obamas' notorious abuse of presidential travel perks wasted military resources and stressed the Secret Service. Judicial Watch estimates that the final costs of Obama's unnecessary vacation and political travel will well exceed $100 million," Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton said in December. At that time, he added: "President-elect Trump can immediately save taxpayers money by reforming presidential travel."

What is Fitton saying about Trump's travels so far? "It's a rather obvious use of taxpayer resources for seemingly unnecessary purposes."

Obama's travel in eight years:

$96.9 million

Highlights from documents obtained by Judicial Watch:

• Secret Service records show Obama's April 2015 Earth Day trip to give a global warming speech in the Everglades cost taxpayers $145,752.36, making the total cost of the trip at least $1,012,367.76.

• Air Force records regarding Michelle Obama's trip to Morocco, Spain and Liberia with her daughters in June 2016 revealed $450,026.40 in flight expenses alone. A C-32A was flown for 28.4 hours.

• Air Force records show that the Obamas' August 2016 vacation to Martha's Vineyard cost taxpayers $450,295 in flight expenses alone.

• CNN notes that a GAO report about a four-day trip Obama took to Florida in 2013 — one similar to Trump's trips — found the total cost to the Secret Service and Coast Guard was $3.6 million.

Trump's travel in 88 days:

$21 million

• Trump is on pace in his first year of office to approach Obama's spending on travel for his entire eight years, according to CNN's estimates.

• His Easter weekend trip to Mar-a-Lago, his private club in Florida, was his seventh visit there in 13 weekends since taking office.

• Estimates of the cost of trips to Mar-a-Lago hover around $3 million per weekend, which would mean $21 million was burned in Trump's first months in office.

• The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office has spent $3.5 million since the election, including $1.5 million for the Chinese president's visit, which attracted a couple of thousand demonstrators.

So what about golf?

The Tampa Bay Times' PolitiFact has tracked the number of times Donald Trump has played golf, compared with Barack Obama at the same point of his presidency. The count as of now: Trump 14, Obama 0.

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snood
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 06:30 pm
Whoa, wait till coldjoint reads that. I’m sure all his indignation about the wastefulness of Michelle Obama’s travel habits will shift right over to the Trumps. I mean, since wasting taxpayers’ money is the point. And since coldjoint is such a fair minded sort.

He’s going to be sooo angry when he sees the truth about Trump’s spending, it’s gonna make him rethink his whole opinion of this president.











Ha!
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 06:46 pm
@snood,
I see your 'Ha' and raise you a 'snort'
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 07:31 pm
@snood,
Quote:
He’s going to be sooo angry when he sees the truth about Trump’s spending

Whatever is said about Trump is usually that he is the worst at everything, except, outsmarting career politicians, intelligence agencies, and most important the people on this forum who eat up the garbage the MSM feeds them.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 07:48 pm
@coldjoint,
He's the best at spending taxpayer money on golf trips. That's balanced by not paying for security details at his pep rallies at numerous cities.

Guess that's garbage too, though.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 08:01 pm
@neptuneblue,
It is the Left that inflate his security costs. They are the violent ones. Did you see the assholes in MN?

Protecting a president will never be garbage.
snood
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 08:11 pm
See? Now that he sees how much money Trump is spending on personal travel and golf trips, he immediately changes his stance, and
...blames the Trump’s exorbitant spending on
.,,the Democrats...wait..,
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 08:17 pm
@snood,
Excuse me, what do you do to Trump? What don't you blame on Trump? Get a life, he is going to be your president until 2025.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2019 08:26 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:

By Greg Sargent
Opinion writer
April 22
After botching their initial response to the Mueller report, top Democrats are now seriously engaging the debate over whether the shocking scale of corruption, wrongdoing, contempt for our democracy, endless official deception and skirting of criminality that it documented merits — or indeed obligates — an impeachment inquiry.
In multiple TV appearances, the chairmen of three House committees suggested Mueller’s findings are “serious and damning” and normally would fall “within the realm of impeachable offenses," and that doing nothing could leave Trump “emboldened” and signal that “future presidents can engage in this kind of corruption without consequence.”
As Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.) indicated, the “consequential decision” Democrats now face is whether to confine themselves to “oversight hearings by the various committees," or to launch a “formal impeachment inquiry." Failure to do the latter could validate the idea that presidents are above accountability, no matter how corrupt or lawless.

Philip Bobbitt, the constitutional scholar at Columbia University, is among those who have wrestled most deeply with the complex questions raised by impeachment. He is the co-author of “Impeachment: A Handbook,” which republishes the famous commentary on impeachment by Yale law scholar Charles L. Black Jr. and concludes with Bobbitt’s own discourse on the topic.
I spoke to Bobbitt at length about the latest revelations. The upshot: Bobbitt now believes it’s “plausible” that Trump committed impeachable offenses and that the House of Representatives is obligated to proceed from this premise.
This does not necessarily mean launching a formal impeachment inquiry right this moment. But it does mean that the next phase of the House’s response must functionally embody an acknowledgment that Trump’s now-known conduct very well may constitute “high crimes and misdemeanors," ultimately rendering an impeachment inquiry obligatory.

Coming from Bobbitt, this is notable, because he has long maintained that impeachment must be reserved only for the most extraordinary cases and (as his book argues) that we must approach the question of whether conduct is impeachable with extreme caution.
Bobbitt’s book engages deeply on what constitutes “high crimes and misdemeanors.” It concludes that “careful, patient inquiry” must denote a pattern of “wanton constitutional dereliction” and establish acts of misconduct that badly undermine the very “legitimacy” of the government and “seriously threaten the order of political society."
In our conversation, Bobbitt elaborated. He noted that the Constitution reserves impeachment for “treason” and “bribery” or “other high crimes and misdemeanors," and added that we can understand the latter from that juxtaposition:
We’re aided immensely by Alexander Hamilton’s discussion of these matters in The Federalist Papers. He writes that what treason and bribery have in common in the impeachment context is that they are political crimes. They strike at the functioning and legitimacy of the government itself. They are not common crimes. They are “high” crimes.

Thus, Bobbitt argued, in evaluating what we’ve learned of Trump’s conduct:
The initial inquiry is whether the acts of the president have struck at the processes underlying government itself.

In attempting to answer that question, Bobbitt pointed out, both Trump’s obstructive efforts and his response to Russian sabotage of our democracy should raise serious concerns.
 

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