@TheCobbler,
Quote:Who is lying to cover y up Trump's nasty immigration ban and separation of thousands of parents from their children?
You are lying. What nasty immigration ban, the one that the SCOTUS ruled in favor of?
You continue to accept that the child separations were not started by Trump, they first happened in 2014 under Obama, as the article mentioned that I posted. A majority of the pictures of kids in cages were taken back then, it was you and the MSM who lied about when the pic's came from. It was further lied about when Time published their bogus cover about the girl who wasn't separated from her mom. You and the MSM have been lying because the original law was signed by Clinton in 1996.
Quote:Did President Obama Oversee the Separation of 89,000 Children from Their Parents?
Obama separated children from their parents, it doesn't matter if it was 100 kids or 1 million kids, don't pretend Obama didn't do it.
Quote:A right-wing Facebook page published a grossly misleading meme that compared the immigration policies of the 44th and 45th presidents.
Good for them. I wonder if you check the same BS meme's you post on snopes before you post them. A vast majority of them are just as much crap as the one you are complaining about.
Quote:Boo hoo, poor right wing racists and rapists... My heart bleeds for you. (cynical)
Everyone who disagree's with me is a racist... good one.
Quote:I suppose it is false that Republicans voted 50 times to take healthcare away from millions of Americans?
They voted 50 times to get rid of an overly regulative law. Sorry to tell you, but a vast majority of the American public has had no benefits from the ACA. The only thing it did was raise our premimum's while not really providing any added benefits. Why should people of non-child bearing age have to carry any form of birth control coverage?
Quote: And what about those preexisting conditions and then weakening of Wall Street regulation so big banks can do frivolous things with people's money? Are those lies too?
Preexisting conditions could have been done without the need for the ACA, there are a few things from the ACA that would have passed as their own bills, the major overhaul done by the ACA wasn't required, except to break the system that was working for 80% of the population so that socialist ideas could be implemented.
Your question about the banks is pointless, you are trying to get me to defend everything the GOP does. I'm not even part of the GOP.
Quote:You defend this stinking pile of crap that you call a political party?
I only commented on the lies you were telling about the immigration debate and child separations. I support some of the idea's of the GOP and some from the DNC, I'm a libertarian and have voted that way since 2012.
Quote:Sick and stupid, just like Trump...
Your personal judgement means nothing, you are one of the most hateful and judgmental people on this site.
Castrate him on your wedding night. 😁
POLICE ARREST TRUMP SUPPORTER IN CONNECTION WITH SPRAY PAINTING “INDIANS WILL BE GASSED” ON CHICKASAW NATION PREMISES
https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/police-arrest-trump-supporter-in-connection-of-spray-painting-indians-will-be-gassed-on-chickasaw-nation-premises/
Off to jail with you too. Another Trump voter bites the dust. Crash and burn!
There are not enough presidential pardons to save you all! lol
Costa Rica Is Running Only with Renewable Energy in the Last Months
https://thecostaricanews.com/costa-rica-is-running-only-with-renewable-energy-in-the-last-months/
This is what these stupid immigrants have done! Isn't it terrible! They need more big oil in their country to corrupt their electorate! (cynical)
also...
190 House Republicans vote against bill to reinstate popular ‘net neutrality’ internet protections
The bill passed the House by a 232-190 vote, but is unlikely to pass in the GOP-run Senate.
https://thinkprogress.org/house-republicans-vote-against-bill-reinstate-net-neutrality-internet-popular-79029a889f1b/
Corporate interests come first, what do poor people need the internet for anyway? (cynical)
We need more big government telling us what to do! (cynical)
I wonder why the f b I would look into Trumps family during the election. Could it be the fact Trump was bragging about what a great bunch the Russians were or the fact his son and son in law were having secret meetings with the Russians? Or the fact Trump asked the Russians to find Hillerys 40,000 e mails? Nothing to see here because he has been a paragon of honesty since him and his dad cheated the tax man out of millions.
@Baldimo,
While you are a member of the lying Trumpies you are a traitor to the U S A.
@RABEL222,
That's comical, this must be over her vote for Kavanagh...
Trump Wages War on Windmills | The Daily Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqAe41QTUec
Deputy’s son arrested in connection with fires of historically-black churches in Louisiana
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/04/deputys-son-arrested-connection-fires-historically-black-churches-louisiana/
Another republican felon will not be voting this next election.
and...
Republicans Are Warning Drug Companies Not To Cooperate With A Congressional Investigation
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/paulmcleod/republicans-warn-drug-companies-oversight-investigation
Diabetic insulin's price has been inflated due to pharmaceutical gouging, diabetics are dying and republicans are doing their best to keep it that way.
...more collusion and obstruction of justice.
@TheCobbler,
I think civilized nations should send free medecines to the US. That would be the humane thing to do.
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:You continue to accept that the child separations were not started by Trump, they first happened in 2014 under Obama, as the article mentioned that I posted. A majority of the pictures of kids in cages were taken back then, it was you and the MSM who lied about when the pic's came from. It was further lied about when Time published their bogus cover about the girl who wasn't separated from her mom. You and the MSM have been lying because the original law was signed by Clinton in 1996.
Fox News's Shep Smith fact-checks Trump saying Obama separated children from families at the border
BY OWEN DAUGHERTY - 04/09/19 04:40 PM EDT 1,813
Fox News host Shepard Smith on Tuesday fact-checked President Trump after Trump claimed former President Obama separated children from their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.
Smith said on his show that he was "separating rhetoric from reality when it comes to immigration in America" before outlining the history of family separations at the border.
During a scrum with reporters at the White House on Tuesday, Trump claimed that "Obama separated the children, by the way."
"Those cages that were shown — I think they were very inappropriate. They were built by President Obama’s administration, not by Trump," Trump said. "President Obama had child separation."
Trump previously criticized pictures from 2014, under the Obama administration,
of unaccompanied migrant children detained at the border that were widely shared on social media shortly after the Trump administration began separating children from their parents.
Trump's previous policy separated children from their families even if they crossed the border together.
Smith pointed out inaccuracies in Trump’s comments, saying, "President Trump has made similar claims before. Following are the facts."
Smith said while former presidents had policies to apprehend and deport migrants who were in the country illegally, officials from the George W. Bush and Obama administrations "gave children a pass."
He said while there were exceptions under the Obama administration, "it was not the policy to separate."
"After President Trump issued the zero tolerance order, officials did separate children from their parents," Smith said. "Some families have not yet been reunited."
He added that "the Trump administration did separate families. The Trump Department of Homeland Security estimates more than 2,300 children had been separated from their families by last spring. The Trump administration did detain children in cages."
Trump said Tuesday he will not reinstate a plan to separate children from their families at the border.
Smith's fact check echoed that of CNN anchor John King, who said Tuesday afternoon his network is "going to need a backup generator for the fact check machine" following President Trump's comments regarding family separation policy and blaming Democrats for the current impasse on a comprehensive immigration solutions.
"We’re going to need a backup generator for the fact check machine for part of what the president said there, including his bit about blaming the Democrats," King said to his panel on "Inside Politics."
"The Democrats now control the House. The Democrats disagree with a lot of what he wants in immigration policy, but this president walked away from a deal when the Republicans controlled the Congress that would have given him a lot more funding for his border wall than he has now, would have given some of the enforcement mechanisms that he wants now and could never get through a Democratic-controlled house," the anchor continued.
"So when he keeps blaming the Democrats — they have policy disagreements — but he walked away from a deal because he didn’t want to give the 'Dreamers' status that was just about done."
"That was one thing there. Yes, President Obama did have some family separation policies, and, yes, some of those early images were from the Obama administration. But the Trump administration accelerated the family separation policy. [Trump] said, 'I stopped it.'"
Do we all at least agree that separating children from their parents is bad, and it should not be policy, or do we dispute even that?
We ain't seen nothin' yet....
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen Exits Trump’s Cabinet
By Robin Lindsay
April 7, 2019
WASHINGTON — Kirstjen Nielsen, the homeland security secretary, resigned on Sunday after meeting with President Trump, ending a tumultuous tenure in charge of the border security agency that had made her the target of the president’s criticism.
“I have determined that it is the right time for me to step aside,” Ms. Nielsen said in a resignation letter. “I hope that the next secretary will have the support of Congress and the courts in fixing the laws which have impeded our ability to fully secure America’s borders and which have contributed to discord in our nation’s discourse.”
Ms. Nielsen had requested the meeting to plan “a way forward” at the border, in part thinking she could have a reasoned conversation with Mr. Trump about the role, according to three people familiar with the meeting. She came prepared with a list of things that needed to change to improve the relationship with the president.
Mr. Trump in recent weeks had asked Ms. Nielsen to close the ports of entry along the border and to stop accepting asylum seekers, which Ms. Nielsen found ineffective and inappropriate. While the 30-minute meeting was cordial, Mr. Trump was determined to ask for her resignation. After the meeting, she submitted it.
As homeland security secretary, she enacted and publicly defended the family separation policy. In President Trump’s eyes, she didn’t go far enough.
And he, in recent weeks, has been very riled up publicly over an increasing number of people crossing the border, especially families who seek asylum who have legal protections that mean they have to be allowed into the country. So the secretary arrives at her meeting with a list of ideas for how to address this problem, and she thinks she and the president are going to come up with a way forward. But instead, a few hours later, the president sends a tweet announcing that she will be leaving her job.
In a tweet, the president said, quote, “Secretary of homeland security Kirstjen Nielsen will be leaving her position, and I would like to thank her for her service.”
So it appears that the president is swinging the revolving door yet again, trying to install new people in his administration to carry out his bidding.
On Monday, The Times reported that President Trump plans to push out more officials from the Department of Homeland Security, including the department’s general counsel and the director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, as he seeks to carry out his harder-line approach to immigration. A few hours later, in the latest legal setback to that approach, a federal judge blocked a Trump administration policy that required those seeking asylum to wait in Mexico rather than in the U.S. while their cases made their way through U.S. immigration court. The judge found that the policy violated federal law.
Ms. Nielsen’s most enduring legacy as secretary was carrying out the administration’s “zero tolerance” policy at the southwestern border, which initially resulted in the separation of thousands of migrant children from their families. He took aim again Sunday night after announcing Ms. Nielsen’s departure, tweeting, “Our Country is FULL!”
Ms. Nielsen said she planned “to stay on as secretary through Wednesday” in order “to assist with an orderly transition.” The abruptness was unusual because the Department of Homeland Security currently does not have a deputy secretary, who would normally take the reins.
The president said in a tweet that Kevin McAleenan, the commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, would take over as the acting replacement for Ms. Nielsen, who became the sixth secretary to lead the agency in late 2017. But by law, the under secretary for management, Claire Grady, who is currently serving as acting deputy secretary, is next in line to be acting secretary. The White House will have to fire her to make Mr. McAleenan acting secretary, people familiar with the transition said. Ms. Grady has told colleagues that she has no intention of resigning to make way for Mr. McAleenan.
Among the possible replacements for Ms. Nielsen in the long term is Ken Cuccinelli, the former Virginia attorney general who is a favorite among conservative activists and who fits the profile that Mr. Trump wants the next homeland secretary to have, people familiar with the discussions said.
Ms. Nielsen had been pressured by Mr. Trump to be more aggressive in stemming the influx of migrant crossings at the border, people familiar with their discussions in recent months said.
Her entire time in the job was spent batting back suspicion from the president, even as he told people he liked how she performed on television and enjoyed dealing with her personally. He initially was skeptical because of Ms. Nielsen’s previous service in the George W. Bush administration, and then because she was close to John F. Kelly, Mr. Trump’s former chief of staff.
Kirstjen Nielsen’s Resignation Letter
In her letter resigning as secretary of homeland security, Kirstjen Nielsen wrote: “We have taken unprecedented action to protect Americans. We have implemented historic efforts to defend our borders, combat illegal immigration, obstruct the inflow of drugs, and uphold our laws and values.”
The president called Ms. Nielsen at home early in the mornings to demand that she take action to stop migrants from entering the country, including doing things that were clearly illegal, such as blocking all migrants from seeking asylum. She repeatedly noted the limitations imposed on her department by federal laws, court settlements and international obligations.
Those responses only infuriated Mr. Trump further. The president’s fury erupted in the spring of 2018 as Ms. Nielsen hesitated for weeks about whether to sign a memo ordering the routine separation of migrant children from their families so that the parents could be detained.
In a cabinet meeting surrounded by her peers, Mr. Trump castigated her repeatedly, leading her to draft a resignation letter and to tell colleagues that there was no reason for her to lead the department any longer. By the end of the week, she had reconsidered and remained in her position, becoming an increasingly fierce supporter of his policies, including the family separations.
Mr. Trump and Stephen Miller, the president’s top immigration adviser, have privately but regularly complained about Ms. Nielsen. Lou Dobbs, a Fox News host who is one of the president’s favorite sounding boards, has also encouraged Mr. Trump’s negative views of her handling of the migrant crisis.
Ms. Nielsen lost a powerful protector when Mr. Kelly, her mentor, left his job as White House chief of staff at the beginning of the year. Mr. Kelly was the Trump administration’s first homeland security secretary and lobbied for Ms. Nielsen to replace him.
Multiple White House officials said she had grown deeply paranoid in recent months, after numerous stories about her job being on the line. She also had supported the Immigration and Customs Enforcement nominee Mr. Trump withdrew, Ronald D. Vitiello, and her support for him was described as problematic for her with the president. Mr. Trump felt Mr. Vitiello did not favor closing the border, as the president threatened again to do in a tweet on Sunday night.
In early 2019, as the number of migrant families from Central American countries surged, the president’s fury at Ms. Nielsen did, too. He repeatedly demanded that she cut off foreign aid to Central American countries even though the funding was the responsibility of the State Department. She repeatedly deflected his demands.
One day after Ms. Nielsen traveled to Honduras to sign a regional compact with officials from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, Mr. Trump cut State Department funding for the countries. And in recent days, the president made public moves to undercut her authority, leaking news that he might nominate an “immigration czar” to assume oversight of the issue at the heart of Ms. Nielsen’s department.
Still, Ms. Nielsen embraced the president’s “crisis” language as apprehensions of migrants at the border shot up to thousands per day. On Friday, Mr. Trump traveled with Ms. Nielsen and Mr. McAleenan to Calexico, Calif., to highlight the issue.
While the number of border crossings is not as high as in the early 2000s, the demographic of migrants has shifted largely from individual Mexicans looking for jobs — who could easily be deported — to Central American families, overwhelming detention facilities and prompting mass releases of migrants into cities along the border.
Ms. Nielsen estimated last month that border officials had stopped as many as 100,000 migrants in March.
But despite the trip and several stories about how much better her relationship with Mr. Trump was, Ms. Nielsen never learned how to manage him, people familiar with their discussions said. He often felt lectured to by Ms. Nielsen, the people familiar with the discussions said.
Ms. Nielsen lost a powerful protector when John F. Kelly, her mentor and the Trump administration’s first homeland security secretary, left his job as White House chief of staff at the beginning of the year.
And his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, was not an admirer of Ms. Nielsen, several administration officials said. That came to a head recently as Mr. Kushner had inserted himself into immigration discussions.
While Mr. Trump often blamed Ms. Nielsen for the surge in migrant crossings, she will be remembered for leading the department during the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy along the southwestern border, which initially resulted in the separation of thousands of migrant children from their families.
An intense backlash ensued, and the Department of Homeland Security was unprepared to deal with separating nearly 3,000 children from their parents.
“Hampered by misstep after misstep, Kirstjen Nielsen’s tenure at the Department of Homeland Security was a disaster from the start,” said Representative Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat and the chairman of the House’s committee on Homeland Security. “It is clearer now than ever that the Trump administration’s border security and immigration policies — that she enacted and helped craft — have been an abysmal failure and have helped create the humanitarian crisis at the border.”
Mr. Trump eventually moved to halt the family separations, though the government struggled in some cases to reunite those it had already separated.
By naming Mr. McAleenan acting secretary, Mr. Trump is installing another veteran of previous administrations, not a loyal foot soldier of Mr. Trump’s campaign.
Married to a Salvadoran immigrant, Mr. McAleenan is a lawyer who wrote an honors thesis at Amherst College on marriage equality and applied at the F.B.I. after the Sept. 11 attacks.
Described by colleagues as a savvy political operator, Mr. McAleenan worked cooperatively with Obama administration officials but later embraced Mr. Trump’s agenda, which included unshackling Border Patrol agents from restrictions that the previous administration had imposed.
Mr. McAleenan was also one of three Department of Homeland Security officials who had urged Ms. Nielsen to sign the memo authorizing the routine separation of migrant families at the border.
The department, which has a budget of more than $40 billion and more than 240,000 employees, is an amalgam of 22 government agencies that was created after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. It is responsible for everything from protecting the nation from cyberattacks to responding to natural disasters.
At 46, Ms. Nielsen was the youngest person to lead the sprawling department, and an unlikely choice for the job.
In the months immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks, she helped set up the Transportation Security Administration, now an agency within the department. She also worked as a special assistant to President George W. Bush on natural disaster response while serving on the White House Homeland Security Council.
When Mr. Trump moved Mr. Kelly to the White House in July 2017, Ms. Nielsen moved with him. As the principal deputy chief of staff, she enforced Mr. Kelly’s attempts to regulate access to Mr. Trump in the Oval Office, including the president’s schedule — irritating White House staff members, who complained she was uncompromising.
Mr. Kelly later backed Ms. Nielsen to succeed him at the Homeland Security Department, though she was criticized as too inexperienced for the job by Democrats and anti-immigration groups. Mr. Trump, however, said she was “ready on Day 1.”
“There will be no on-the-job training for Kirstjen,” Mr. Trump said in October 2017, announcing her nomination for the post.
But by the following spring, Ms. Nielsen was telling associates she was miserable in the job.
@snood,
Quote:Do we all at least agree that separating children from their parents is bad, and it should not be policy, or do we dispute even that?
We can somewhat agree. In certain cases there is good reason to separate them, and in others there isn't. If the parents are being arrested for crimes, then they have no choice. If their only crime was crossing the border illegally, then I see no reason for them to be separated, leave the kids and parents together so that when they are deported or released, they go as a family and no one gets lost. We can't give a blanket statement that they won't because there will always be a reason where it will have to happen.
