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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 01:19 am
Land O' Lakes is a region in Wisconsin, near the border of the UP--the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Wisconsin is known nationally it's dairy products, so I guess some joker decided to use the name for their dairy products. The Girl and I passed through that part of Michigan/Wisconsin many, many moons ago when there was an A2K meet up in Mad City--Madison, Wisconsin.

However, I don't think those fine folks should take the rap for the reactionary, hateful sumbitch featured here.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 01:30 am
@Blickers,
The news tonight said that the Republican party will no longer support Steve King and condemned his remarks. Hopefully, he and the hateful/racist/white supremest bullshit are history....sent to the dust bins
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 02:13 am
@glitterbag,
The Republican party may not support him, but what about Trump?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 02:17 am
@Setanta,
I think the Land O Lakes that GB referred to is this company.

https://www.landolakesinc.com/

That's certainly what I assumed. We have a cheese company called Cathedral City. Now that clearly refers to a city with a cathedral, in this case Wells. If somebody mentioned Cathedral City I'd assume they were talking about the dairy company, not the municipal authorities of Wells, Salisbury, Winchester or any other cathedral city for that matter.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 02:24 am
@izzythepush,
Trump will flux between support and no support. When he addresses anti-semites, the NRA and white supremists he will embrace the Steve's. He's an idiot and a suck up and a poser.
revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 07:29 am
@glitterbag,
The worst part is that he gets away with it among his key base who never leave him. Which leaves him just enough of a size of the electorate to keep his head up and maybe save the senate. Even if they don't buy it, they like what he has achieved so they seem to push disagreements to the side.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 07:51 am
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In America 2018, whataboutism is the last refuge of scoundrels, and bothsidesism is the last refuge of cowards.

In case you hadn’t noticed, we’re in the midst of a wave of hate crimes. Just in the past few days, bombs were mailed to a number of prominent Democrats, plus CNN. Then, a gunman massacred 11 people at a Pittsburgh synagogue. Meanwhile, another gunman killed two African-Americans at a Louisville supermarket, after first trying unsuccessfully to break into a black church — if he had gotten there an hour earlier, we would probably have had another mass murder.

All of these hate crimes seem clearly linked to the climate of paranoia and racism deliberately fostered by Donald Trump and his allies in Congress and the media.

Killing black people is an old American tradition, but it is experiencing a revival in the Trump era.

When the bombs were discovered, many on the right immediately claimed that they were fake news or a false flag operation by liberals. But the F.B.I. quickly tracked down the apparent source of the explosive devices: A fanatical Trump supporter, whom many are already calling the MAGABomber. His targets were people and a news organization Trump has attacked in many speeches. (Since the bombings, Trump has continued to attack the news media as the “enemy of the people.”)

The man arrested at the Tree of Life synagogue has been critical of Trump, who he apparently believes isn’t anti-Semitic enough. But his rage seems to have been fueled by a conspiracy theory being systematically spread by Trump supporters — the claim that Jewish financiers are bringing brown people into America to displace whites.

This conspiracy theory is, it turns out, a staple of neo-Nazis in Europe. It’s what our own neo-Nazis — whom Trump calls “very fine people” — were talking about in Charlottesville last year, when they chanted, “Jews will not replace us.”

It’s also the barely veiled subtext of the manufactured hysteria over the caravan of would-be migrants from Central America. The fearmongers aren’t just portraying a small group of frightened, hungry people still far from the United States border as a looming invasion. They have also been systematically implying that Jews are somehow behind the whole thing. There’s a straight line from Fox News coverage of the caravan to the Tree of Life massacre.

So how are Trump apologists dealing with this ugly picture? Partly through denial, pretending not to see any link between hateful rhetoric and hate crimes. But also through attempts to spread the blame by claiming that Democrats are just as bad if not worse. Trump supporters try to kill his critics? Well, some Trump opponents have yelled at politicians in restaurants!

This whataboutism doesn’t stop with equating protests with violence. It also relies on outright lying.

The day after the Pittsburgh massacre, John Cornyn — the second-ranked Republican in the Senate — tweeted “Pelosi: If There Is ‘Collateral Damage’ for Those Who Don’t Share Our View, ‘So Be It’.” This is a lie, plain and simple. I know, because I was there.

Nancy Pelosi’s remark about collateral damage came while I was interviewing her in front of a live audience; you can see the interview here. She wasn’t talking about punishing political opponents. She was, instead, talking about the economic impact of policies to fight climate change, which she conceded would adversely affect some industries even as it helped others. Many people have pointed this out to Cornyn; as I write this column, he has not retracted his false claim.

But here’s the thing: Trump supporters aren’t the only people trying to pretend that he’s only doing what everyone does, that Democrats are just as bad and equally liable for the explosion of hatred.

False equivalence, portraying the parties as symmetric even when they clearly aren’t, has long been the norm among self-proclaimed centrists and some influential media figures. It’s a stance that has hugely benefited the GOP, as it has increasingly become the party of right-wing extremists.

You might have thought that the horrifying events of recent days would finally break through that norm. But you would have been wrong. Bothsidesism is, it turns out, a fanatical cult impervious to evidence. Trump famously boasted that his supporters would stick with him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue; what he didn’t point out was that pundits would piously attribute the shooting to “incivility,” and that Sunday talk shows would feature Fifth-Avenue-shooting advocates and give them a respectful hearing.

This needs to stop, and those who keep practicing bothsidesism need to be shamed. At this point, pretending that both sides are equally to blame, or attributing political violence to spreading hatred without identifying who’s responsible for that spread, is a form of deep cowardice.

The fact is that one side of the political spectrum is peddling hatred, while the other isn’t. And refusing to point that out for fear of sounding partisan is, in effect, lending aid and comfort to the people poisoning our politics. Yes, hate is on the ballot next week.


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On the whole I agree him, except before the mail pipe bombs were sent to prominent democrats, there were a few such Hillary and Holder were starting to say we should use the same rhetoric as the other side, or go lower, and I disagree with that in retrospect. We should still Michelle Obama's advice, they go low, we go high. I will disagree with those on the right who were calling survivors of sexual abuse who came to hearing for Kavanaugh in protest of him being affirmed "mobs." They were exercising their fundamental right of freedom of speech in my opinion. On the other hand, harassing people in restaurants to the point where they have to leave, I am not sure I agree with that. The reason I agree Krugman is that all of these examples are protestors of policies, not hate for people or demonizing victims of racism or sexual abuse, transgenders or gay people or using code words for racist language towards political opponents.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 09:43 am
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Left Says Dial Down Rhetoric As They Get More Hateful

There isn’t much to add to these two videos. They speak for themselves.

After blaming the President and Republicans for the murder of eleven people in Pittsburgh based on the President’s alleged rhetoric, they themselves are out inflaming the passions against him.

They are calling him a Hitler “turning people into infested vermin”. He’s a “moral monster”, “evil”, and “dark”. They don’t like white men who lean right either.

They think the caravan is a “Trump lie”.

Hate, hate, hate is coming from the left

http://www.independentsentinel.com/left-says-dial-down-rhetoric-as-they-get-more-hateful/
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 10:03 am
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Hillary Clinton Just Lost More Black Votes for Dems

https://theblacksphere.net/2018/10/clinton-lost-more-black-votes/
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 02:02 pm

http://i66.tinypic.com/1sk22f.jpg
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 02:14 pm
@Region Philbis,
That is a white man, why would your meme picture a racist? The Left is beyond stupid. Everyday the evil of the white man is elaborated. This guy has to be a racist, the Left says so.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 02:23 pm
Trump has aligned himself with governments and tyrants who treat their people and press the most disrespectful...

coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 02:27 pm
@TheCobbler,
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tyrants who treat their people and press the most disrespectful...

You mean the UK?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 31 Oct, 2018 07:22 pm
@izzythepush,
Yes, I understand that. I am saying that the fine folks in the Land o' Lakes region don't deserve the slur of being associated with crypto-nazis.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 1 Nov, 2018 05:54 am

https://i.imgur.com/nTHteNk.jpg
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 1 Nov, 2018 06:11 am
@Region Philbis,
They are going to be sitting around for 2 months before the dozen or so people show up.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Nov, 2018 06:18 am
That's more than the entire commitment in Regulars, Militia and Marines during the Mexican-American War of the 1840s.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 1 Nov, 2018 06:49 am

https://i.imgur.com/mF4mYQD.jpg
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 1 Nov, 2018 07:02 am

https://i.imgur.com/Pq2HbFu.jpg

(i did this quickly, hopefully the math is correct...)
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