Quote:According to the American Institute of Physics site, Werner Heisenberg was "one of the greatest physicists of the twentieth century" and "the founder of quantum mechanics." A succinct summary of the man's most famous work can be found here. Welcome to the real world.
Most people have heard his name, and I have certainly heard his name, what I meant is that I am not familiar with his work. I think it is a fool who blindly agrees with what has been written about a person without reviewing their work and making their own judgements from that. Are you familiar with his work? what about it is impressive? I come from a very scientific family and almost all my relatives publish in scientific journals so im not really impressed by credentials. Another thing is that quantum physics is probably the least solid field of science, I do not think there is enough evidence for some of the thigns which have been accepted as scientific fact by a large portion of the community, and there is certainly room for error.
Until I actually look into his work, I cannot comment on whether or not I think he is an idiot. Note that I did not call him an idiot, I said that "based on what was said about him he sounds like an idiot". It is highly possible that the topic we are talking about was misquoted, or misinterpreted...which is why I specifically did not say he was an idiot.
Quote:I'm sorry, I thought this forum was intend to be an open exchange of thoughts. While you dismiss my thoughts on thoughts as nonsense I will resist the urge to dismiss your thoughts as simply rude and continue to exchange ideas with the forum. May I suggest that you think a bit more about the truths that may be uncovered if we try to exchange ideas without belittlement of others contributions.
Geli, it IS an open exchange of thoughts. I encourage you to keep posting your opinion. But I will also continue to keep posting mine. I feel it is the duty of any poster to keep his posts honest, especially when discussing topics such as this. I read over your post carefully, and I honestly think it was nonsense. If I had not let this be known, then other people might notice that there were no objections to what you said, and in a sense I would be agreeing with you. When I read something I think is bull****, I am going to let it be known...
Quote:I agree that there are different levels of consciousness in the sense that we humans not only are conscious of what we perceive with our senses, but are also aware of our own existence and of our own thoughts on a more "interior" level. Thus, as I see it, there's a distinction between uncontrollable, seemingly random thoughts passing through our mind, and realisation of the existence of these.
I think everyone can agree with this...although I do not think this is what others (at least not myself) am talking about when I refer to "differen states/levels" of consciousness. I am speaking more from a computer/technical perspective...if consciousness is a variable, it is not a boolean, but a real number...meaning that it is not just on (1) or off (0) but it can be partially on (0.333423....) even though it would not be actually quantified in numbers...just wnated to clear that up in case someoen was confused.
Quote:jnhofzinser wrote:
..................The human mind (and hence science) has its limits.
the mind is 'unlimited'; only the human mind has limits.
Some people are smarter than others. There are many people who cannot understand simple abstract concepts like calculus or basic scientific theories. But a "why" is just a LIST of reactions which exlpain the current state of being of an 'object'...and I think that there are certainly humans capable of understanding such a sequence, even for the most complex and abstract why's.
Quote:Here science has explained the 'how' of night and day; the why of night and day is a non question - meaningless.
eh...i wouldn't say a NON question...it is a valid question, the answer is just obvious.
Quote:BoGoWo wrote:
the future ... has not yet begun.
A truism. The trick is putting meat on the bones. What will drive this future? Artificial Intelligence? phft. Evolution? yawn. Once again, answers to this question require faith. Whatever it is, don't expect to encounter it in your lifetime.
jholt: what are you trying to say? "what will drive the future?" the future doesn't need an entity to control it....the only precondition to future is that spacetime exists. This is in agreeance with BoGoWo.
Quote:.......Once again, answers to this question require faith. Whatever it is, don't expect to encounter it in your lifetime.
the only thing faith is required for is to believe somethign without enough evidence...therefore i suggest nobody take this advice.
Quote:This is "why" the human mind is the true "final frontier" of science: the illusion/reality of decision-making (i.e. intention, choices, free-will, etc.) requires an infinite regress that breaks the bounds of the materialistic dogma "there is no 'why'".
haha...man...you are losing it. a "why" question is no more different than any other question...many why questions are answered...and why questions do exist...the only difference is that it is soemtimes harder to answer.
Quote:Faith that there is a why, has created nothing but misguided speculation on the 'needs' of the universe.
eh? "why did I respond?" "because I disagreed with what you said and my personality makes it a priority to let it be known when i disagree with someone"
here is a why question and its answered. this question exists. no faith is required to believe that it exists, I can see that it exists without resorting to faith. so what do you mean?
Quote:the 'truth will not 'come'.
It is already here.
And it 'is' the question.
Nonsense. Sounds like somethign out of the Matrix....
Quote:'Such wondering, and meta-wondering, takes us to the heart of ... "the major unsolved problem in biology (Crick)" [,that is:] explaining how billions of neurons swapping chemicals give rise to such subjective experiences as consciousness, self-awareness, and awareness that others are conscious and self-aware.' -- Scientific American 2004
thank you jnholfzinser, finally, getting back on topic.
