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Is changing an iconic character's race or gender a good or bad thing?

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 05:27 pm
@ehBeth,
So people were made that JLaw wasn't a Dago? Based on that description, I'm not white. I don't consider myself white but I have dark hair and an olive complexion, Italian and Sicilian.
Germlat
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 05:50 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

So people were made that JLaw wasn't a Dago? Based on that description, I'm not white. I don't consider myself white but I have dark hair and an olive complexion, Italian and Sicilian.

I thought Dagos were about the most beautiful people on earth. But---Caucasian although olived-skinned...I'm I wrong? Pretty sure not!!!
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 05:58 pm
@Baldimo,
I dunno. I wasn't upset about it but I heard and read about it.


you can google Katniss casting controversy

http://katnissisoliveskinneddealwithit.tumblr.com/

http://jezebel.com/5781682/the-imminent-whitewashing-of-the-hunger-games-heroine

http://screenrant.com/gary-ross-hunger-games-jennifer-lawrence-benk-106673/

Quote:
However, another criticism levied against Ross’ choice has to do with Lawrence’s ethnicity – as it has been hinted, in the books, that Everdeen is multiracial. Only two months back, casting rumors suggested that True Grit star Hailee Steinfeld, who is not only fourteen but also part-Filipino, was in the running for the part.


http://movieline.com/2011/03/01/oh-no-they-didnt-the-hunger-games-casting-for-underfed-white-teenage-girls/

Quote:
The debate over Katniss's on-screen ethnicity (or lack thereof) has raged in the Hunger Games fan community ever since a film adaptation was announced, owing to author Collins' seemingly specific descriptions of the young heroine's ethnicity. Described as having dark hair, olive skin, and gray eyes (in contrast to her fair-haired mother and sister), Katniss is thought by some readers to be of Mediterranean, Latin, Asian, or mixed descent.

By the same token, Katniss's colorings could also suggest a brunette Caucasian girl, as in the novel's official marketing materials (above). Either way, it's fair to say that Collins' ambiguity was purposeful in this regard. So the question isn't, "Is Katniss white?" but "Could Katniss possibly be anything other than white?"

In casting only for Caucasian performers, the filmmakers seem to close the door on that possibility. But as in the racebending issue surrounding last year's Avatar: The Last Airbender (a controversy unlikely to continue unless sequels follow, which they won't), is that move warranted by the material or simply another case of Hollywood whitewashing? There aren't many good reasons for excluding non-white performers from consideration based on Collins' books and characters, aside from the desire to appeal to the dominant paradigm in the film's marketing materials. If Collins is on board with this and has any argument in favor of the casting move, she should start explaining.



It came up again recently in one of TKO's FB discussions that started with the recent Scarlett Johannsen kerfuffle. I didn't realize it was an ongoing issue til then.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 06:05 pm
@ehBeth,
Fair enough.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 06:07 pm
@Germlat,
We are pretty amazing looking people aren't we. Cool

I think it depends on who you talk too. My grandfather was an immigrant and he used to tell stories of the racism he faced when he was going to college and medical school in Chicago.
Germlat
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 06:15 pm
@Baldimo,
I bet you're gorgeous! I'm German, Italian and Greek...Most people don't know where the hell I'm from ....usually I get a Eastern European...but--mostly just beautiful LOL.
Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 07:42 pm
@boomerang,
Did you? I didn't and thought who they picked fit my image.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 07:50 pm
@ehBeth,
Hmm I never heard that be interesting to hear from the author. Funny though how you imagine a character and how someone else can have an entirely different picture in mind.

Here is one ... the pelican brief ... the reporter I that was cast by Densil Washington seemed to be white in the book. I thought he did a great job even though I envisioned the character differently.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2015 07:52 pm
@Baldimo,
I also heard manyou felt she was too old. She is supposed to be a teen.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2015 11:13 am
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:

I bet you're gorgeous! I'm German, Italian and Greek...Most people don't know where the hell I'm from ....usually I get a Eastern European...but--mostly just beautiful LOL.

So? You're not a Boxer? Your revelation just blew my fragile little mind. Shocked
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2015 02:12 pm
@tsarstepan,
Sons of Anarchy's Charlie Hunnam playing Mexico drug lord in new movie
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a622633/sons-of-anarchys-charlie-hunnam-playing-mexico-drug-lord-in-new-movie.html#~p1WCFxlhBJgvz6
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sat 11 Apr, 2015 09:53 am
What an African-American Captain America means for Marvel
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/10/7185205/captain-america-remender
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 07:28 am
ANNA KENDRICK AS THE NEW INDIANA JONES KICKS MISOGYNY’S ASS
http://www.ifc.com/fix/2015/05/anna-kendrick-indiana-jones-reboot

Let's make this happen!!
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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 10:14 am
FWIW I think it's a good thing to play with the gender and race of a character, as long as it's just not for the sake of "oh look, now we're using a black woman"

Waaay back in the 80's my then BF and I had a friend who was an actor. He happened to be black. He got the lead role in the play "The Rainmaker", the character Bill Starbuck.

It gave whole new dimensions to the character. With a white Starbuck, you think the character is looked upon negatively by the town because he's a con man, a traveler of the earth, too charasmatic. Add in the aspect that now Starbuck is black, well. Now you have the sexual tension of Lucy, a timid white woman toward him, and him enchanting her.
Then there was the name. With a white man, Starbuck sounds adventurous, dashing. In a play set in the 1930's, a black guy with "buck" in his name is an entirely different thing.
For those unfamiliar with the play, watch the movie, and replace Burt Lancaster with Sam Jackson. Wowsers.

Bottom line, I say if it improves the story or character, or shakes people up, do it.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2015 10:53 am
Why Marvel Will Gender Swap The Ancient One, According To Kevin Feige
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-Marvel-Gender-Swap-Ancient-One-According-Kevin-Feige-72286.html
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jenniesmith011
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jul, 2015 12:24 am
Misremembering is better than not remembering.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2015 07:20 am
http://i57.tinypic.com/dlsyma.jpg
Social commentary provided by Rifftrax from last night's screening of Sharknado 2: The Second One (2014)
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2015 08:26 am
I don't have any problem at all with fictional characters being rebooted as another gender, race, ethnicity, whatever. I have a problem with actual historical figures being cast as other than what they actually are (were).
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2015 10:44 am
@snood,
Other then John Wayne as Genghis Khan, when else has it happened in a historical drama?
http://i58.tinypic.com/91gh8i.jpg


(I can assume it might have happened in parodies and comic satires.)
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2015 12:32 pm
@tsarstepan,
Rex Harrison in the King and I.

http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/i/partypictures/09_11_14/bsnvroxvgmyobig.jpg

Liz Taylor as Cleopatra

http://cdn-6.historyguy.com/moviesandtvhistory/Elizabeth-Taylor-as_queen_Cleaopatra.jpg

Any Jesus

http://bennorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/jesus-white-man-middle-east-300x289.jpg

 

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