FOOD NAZI'S SUFFER STUNNING DEFEAT!

JoeNation, did you read my link?

Using the phrase Food Nazi's (sic) to describe people showing compassion, is really quite disgusting, and quite hysterical.

Did you see my link?

I've spent decades - probably as long as some posters here are alive - thinking all foie gras is bad.
I'm not so sure of that now.

Hawkee has never been accused of choosing his phrases carefully.
Using the possessive is something that everyone around here who has a veggie stand does

FESH GARDEN VEGGIE'S FOR SALE

STRAWBERRIE'S

WANTED :OLD CHRISTMAS CARD'S
Its pretty much an Amish thing, since their possessives only use N

One more time:

http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/12/the-physiology-of-foie-why-foie-gras-is-not-u.html

Like ehBeth, I take a lot of places not following this as being awful, or worse than awful, hyenic, hyenic multiplied.

Read the goddamned link, please.

Yes, seems a bit too eager to say all is well, I'd rather read a piece by a journo who's not quite so supine.

This isn't actually correct, Frank. Sponges for instance are animals yet do not have ANY nerve cells or sensory system whatsoever. Jellyfish have no brains and only a very small and rudimentary collection of nerves coordinating swimming motions, gravity orientation, pulsing swimming motion, and rudimentary light sensing.
http://greenspanlab.ucsd.edu/documents/1-s2.0-S096098221300359X-main.pdf

Oysters have such simple nervous systems that even serious vegan authors who have taken the time to study them have concluded that there is nothing ethically wrong with vegans eating oysters.
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2010/04/consider_the_oyster.html

There are many other examples as well, especially given that the majority of animals in the world are extremely simple one-celled creatures which by definition have no brains or nerve cells.

Things are not nearly as simple as you'd like to think, Bobsal. As you can see in my profile, I've run an organic farm and learned first hand. While it's easy to IMAGINE that letting the chickens loose is the best thing for them just because YOU would like to run free doesn't make it so. When you actually raise chickens in an open pen, you find out that chickens are naturally ruthless (which is why they don't need to be trained for cockfighting). If you restrain a chicken for a minute in a pen, other chickens will come over and peck it to death. They will also peck and eat each other's eggs, so if you raise chickens this way, you literally have to stand in the henhouse to grab the eggs after they're laid; they'll be all gone an hour later. That is much of the reason why layers have been raised in cages; to protect the birds and the eggs. If they can't turn around, they can't eat their own eggs. And even in wide open pens, laying hens will seek out small cage-like spaces in which to lay their eggs and the best of them (brood hens) will voluntarily spend much of their time in them.

yes.
http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/12/the-physiology-of-foie-why-foie-gras-is-not-u.html

Joe(still digesting)Nation

That is one of the problems with using the word "all" in posts.

I was wrong to say "I think it has been established conclusively that ALL animals feel pain."

There may well be some that do not.

I apologize.

Interesting article, but I've been there in the real world and actually seen it done the traditional way.

Guantanamo is probably one of the most sterile and clean force feeding stations that I can think of, but I would definitely choose to eat my fill naturally.
However much they dress up the pig, it's still a pig.

If it wasn't cruel we wouldn't have banned its production.

That logic only works in the case of a perfectly informed and completely rational voting body, however no such voting body exists, so people vote based largely on misinformation, half truths, and memories of watching "Bambi" as children.

Don't have to, I wouldn't touch this stuff for love nor money. The Bible gives us permission to kill other animals for food, it does not give permission to torture them for no rational reason.

I think that my customrs are savvy and sophisticated enough to know what they want. They seek our farm out and although we don't (nor will we ever) seek out an "organic Farm" registry, we do advertise that our lambs are pasture fed and finished on an oats /molasses and pasture diet. (of course winter pasture means mixed hay). Feedings are free choice and lambs are encouraged to keep buff by moving them to distant pastures daily. Weve just finished all the Christmas rush and our next spike is spring restaurant fare.

No, I don't think all is well with geese and ducks and foie gras, but I take it that a few places that raise them for foie gras aren't complete hell holes. Also, on the matter of what purveyors would be allowed to sell in California, I'd want a serious inspection system to make sure they were equal to or better than this non-traditional place in the article, and that would likely be problematic, and ..California has government financing worries as it is.

ok - so find another article on the same farm

yes - the traditional European way is absolutely shitty

The smart thing to do would have been to find an alternative form of production.

We're a lot more rational over here. No Tea Party, no NRA, and no Fox News.