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Islamic Terrorists Strike France

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2015 08:03 pm
I don't have the patience to analyze all this spatter.

I just posted that djjd is wise and listen up - but
I don't know that either.

I don't know enough.
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2015 08:12 pm
Let me just say that I dont care where this Bozo is from and I took that into account when I said, " lay down their lives"...there isnt a continent in the world that U.S service men and women havent died on or risked their lives to protect anothers freedom...thank you very much.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2015 08:37 pm
Quote:
A man in Canada who set out to prove that Canadians don’t have free speech proved his point by being sentenced to 18 months in jail for daring to say that Islam is evil on a subway in Toronto.


Yep, Canadians are on the cutting edge of freedom.

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/video-canadian-man-sentenced-18-months-jail-saying-dont-like-islam/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2015 09:05 pm
@coldjoint,
Australia:

Quote:
Since the introduction of provisions dealing with racial hatred in 1995, [3] the Racial Discrimination Act makes it unlawful to insult, humiliate, offend or intimidate another person or group in public on the basis of their race. Specifically, the Act states:

It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:
(a) the act is reasonably likely in all the circumstances to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or group of people, and
(b) the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or some or all of the people in the group. [4]

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/racial-vilification-law-australia
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 01:30 am
Interesting comment: France’s political elite never champions virtues of a multicultural nation
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 01:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
What is interesting about it? The author never even gets around to the crucks of the problem, which is that too often the elite have been wrong, the people are now waking up to this, so the nominal political leaders have largely lost their followers. The is true across Europe but especially in France, which has always prided itself on being a world leader, prided itself on being the founder of the EU along with the Germans. And now look at what has happened...the EU project is a mess, France is broke, its young must go to other lands for work, and replacing them they have these islamic imports who what to largely replace French culture with the failed cultures of the places they come from. Who the **** thought this was a good idea?

Oh ya, the elite.

Thanks a bunch and by the way, **** YOU.


Head off a big win by the right running on a platform to minimize as much as is still possible the damage?? These political leaders and these elite are going to do that? No Way.


But that is all right. A little revolution is necessary now and then.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 02:33 am
@hawkeye10,
I will add that the elite too often selling what they wanted to sell rather than the truth, for profit (the American way) more than occasionally, is why the entire global economy is toast, and why the East lead by China is about to sweep in and take over.....running things their way. The East is so over all of the "lessons" Washington and Europe have given over the post war era, very often laying on morality tales. The ambassadors from the West even to this day keep showing up with these stories, even as everyone in the room knows how fucked up American and Europe is morally, structurally, economically, social cohesionally,and a bunch of other ways . 500,000 crooks between NYC and DC out to stuff their pockets and/or boss everyone around just about melted the global economy down 06-08 , the government gave them everything they wanted on the grandkids charge card .......even as the people suffered and the people will suffer more for 50 years or more trying to pay these debts down to a reasonable level to patch things up. A ton of money. THen they not only failed to work to fix the problems they in many ways made things worse, for instance by consolidating the wealth amoung even fewer banks and even fewer individuals. Which will lead to riots at some point, but they do it anyways. This is America folks! And these assholes come around here trying to tell us that we need to care more about "human rights" and celebrate all the victims??!! Just how stupid do you think we are these Eastern guys are asking. And women need to be equals? Says who?

Anyways, the people have seen behind the curtain, the genie is out of the bottle...no going back now. The leaders no longer have the followers. BANG!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 02:34 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Thanks a bunch and by the way, **** YOU.
I'm grateful for your compliment. Especially, because I got it for just giving a newspaper link.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 02:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
Thanks a bunch and by the way, **** YOU.
I'm grateful for your compliment. Especially, because I got it for just giving a newspaper link.


I ended up talking as a frenchman to the french elite. Read it again, it was more complicated than you understand.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 03:27 am
I will tell you right now that there will be nice size "unity rallies", because people will expect to see you and there is no good reason to go on record right now for not wanting so many immigrants and this constant wailing about alleged victims. The Elite will then in two shakes be all over the media assuring everyone that this proves that everything is fine, that we will get through this in once piece with us and our immigrant brother holding hands and prospering in partnership.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 06:29 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
A man in Canada who set out to prove that Canadians don’t have free speech proved his point by being sentenced to 18 months in jail for daring to say that Islam is evil on a subway in Toronto.


Yep, Canadians are on the cutting edge of freedom.

http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/video-canadian-man-sentenced-18-months-jail-saying-dont-like-islam/



actually.......

"Ontario Court Judge Gerald Lapkin smartly convicted Mr. Brazau of the three charges he was facing — breach of the peace (by interfering with Toronto Transit Commission service), causing a disturbance (by using insulting language) and breaching his probation on the earlier hate-mongering conviction.

“You had a ticket to ride,” Judge Lapkin told him. “Not a pass to harass.”"

it appears that Brazau was under probation conditions for a previous conviction, hence the lengthy sentence

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/06/christie-blatchford-man-jailed-for-a-year-after-anti-islam-speech-spurs-emergency-alarm-on-toronto-subway-train/
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 11:12 am
@hawkeye10,
France still has a fairly large economy, although i heard a week ago that the UK's was now larger. Its problems have nothing to see with Europe, which is if anything guarding us from falling further down. The reasons are due to an overly regulated economy, a tendency by politicians to change the rules all the time (what's worse than many rules? Many CHANGING rules 'cause investors need previsibility), a bloated administration and thus too heavy a tax pressure. These are purely French issues. The moment we have the courage to reform, like the Germans have with Schroeder and Merkel, we'll get back to a strong economy like the Germans have.

As for multiculturalism, it's gaining ground as a political idea. It's already a reality of course, and always has been, but it was never considered 'good'. The aim used to be to 'forge' a French people out of all the regional diversities and cultures and languages. Nowadays things are changing and cultural diversity is embraced more than uniformity, but the drive for solidarity (fraternité) is still strong. We want a society where people and cultures mix up, where a Jewish girl can love an Arab boy or vice versa, at least once in a while. Hence the resistance to the islamic veil, which goal is to prevent exogamy.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 01:21 pm
Internal CNN memo: 'We are not at this time showing the Charlie Hebdo cartoons'
By HADAS GOLD | 1/7/15 2:49 PM EST
CNN is not showing detailed images of cartoons from the Charlie Hebdo magazine that could be viewed as offensive to Muslims, CNN senior editorial director Richard Griffiths said in a message sent to CNN staff Wednesday afternoon.

Griffiths' email:

Although we are not at this time showing the Charlie Hebdo cartoons of the Prophet considered offensive by many Muslims, platforms are encouraged to verbally describe the cartoons in detail. This is key to understanding the nature of the attack on the magazine and the tension between free expression and respect for religion.

Video or stills of street protests showing Parisians holding up copies of the offensive cartoons, if shot wide, are also OK. Avoid close-ups of the cartoons that make them clearly legible.

It's also OK to show most of the protest cartoons making the rounds online, though care should be taken to avoid examples that include within them detailed depictions of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.

Griffiths' memo comes after several news organizations came under fire for censoring various Charlie Hebdo cartoons that depict Muhammad. The Associated Press, The New York Daily News and The Telegraph were among those that blurred or cropped photos of the covers.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/01/internal-cnn-memo-we-are-not-at-this-time-showing-200711.html


Solidarity has its limits I guess...
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 02:57 pm
@Olivier5,
The story you tell Oliver does not ring true

Quote:
The panel also recommends a number of other multicultural changes that would provide greater recognition to the "Arab-oriental dimension" of France's national identity. These include changing street and place names, overhauling the history curriculum taught in schools and creating a special day to honor the contribution of immigrant cultures.

More notably, the panel says that authorities and the media should be prohibited from referring to people's nationality, religion or ethnicity in public, and that the government should create a new law that would make "racial harassment" a punishable offense.

The controversial recommendations are contained in a series of five documents that were discretely posted on the prime minister's official website in November, but only came to public attention on December 12, after an exposé by the French daily newspaper, Le Figaro.

Not surprisingly, the proposals to develop an "inclusive secularism" in France have sparked a firestorm of criticism.

Jean-François Copé, the leader of France's main opposition party, the conservative UMP, said in a statement that the proposals are "explosive and irresponsible" because they replace "the one and indivisible French Republic with a motley assembly of communities, ethnicities and groups of all kinds." According to Copé:

"This report is an attempt to make multiculturalism the new model for France. It would no longer be up to immigrants to adopt French culture, but for France to abandon its own culture, language, history and identity to adapt to other people's cultures...I cannot accept that we build a society where 'responsibilities' are completely replaced by 'rights.' French voters should know that in this report the word 'responsibility' appears only 13 times, while the word 'right' is repeated 440 times."

Copé also accused the government of using the report to deliberately drive voters towards the anti-immigration National Front (FN) party in order to weaken the UMP.

The leader of the FN, Marine Le Pen—who has attained record-breaking popularity due to her criticism of runaway immigration—said the report's recommendations are "a very grave provocation" and implementing them would be tantamount to "a declaration of war on the French people."

The negative reaction to the report has put the ruling Socialists on the defensive.

French President François Hollande—the most unpopular French president on record, with approval ratings well below 30%—has distanced himself from some of the more explosive recommendations contained in the report, which he says do "not at all represent the government's position." Hollande also denies that the ban on Islamic veils in schools will be reversed.


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Your post sounds like the fantasizing of liberals that we see constantly in the USA.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 04:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
Not sure what you're trying to say here. What is it that i said which does not ring true?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 05:00 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Not sure what you're trying to say here. What is it that i said which does not ring true?
That a wave of pro multiculturalism is sweeping France.

BTW: the other central points were that France is in decline, which you seem to agree with though you call it a temporary problem.

that the elites have been often wrong so the elites selling multiculturalism is not going to go far because their credibility is shredded, which you dont comment on

That the political leaders have lost the people, which you dont comment on.

And I never said that Frances problems were caused by the EU, I said that the EU project is a mess, that this baby birthed by France and Germany is in big trouble. If this thing goes down the French (and the Germans) are not going to enjoy the experience of looking in the eye the rest of the Europeans. Which would be another big blow to the French identity.

To be French now is to see assaults on identity and way of life from multiple fronts. These marches in the street today are a desperate attempt to feel good about being french in spite of the reality of being French.
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engineer
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 05:48 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Internal CNN memo: 'We are not at this time showing the Charlie Hebdo cartoons'

Solidarity has its limits I guess...

Charlie Hebdo is known for being very offensive and somewhat racist. I don't have any problem saying I support your right to say offensive things. That doesn't mean I am willing to repeat them myself.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 08:02 pm
@engineer,
They are not racist. Rather they are anti-racist.
engineer
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 08:25 pm
@Olivier5,
There have been several articles over the last few years (I was reading one from Le Monde from Dec. '13, translated by Google) saying the opposite but that is really besides the point. That doesn't mean they aren't entitled to say what the want. If that speech isn't something that would normally pass the editorial process of the NYT or other US paper, I wouldn't expect them to print it even while they support free speech.

Here is some reading from Salon about Charlie and racism:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/01/charlie_hebdo_the_french_satirical_magazine_is_heroic_it_is_also_racist.html
Quote:
This, in a country where Muslims are a poor and harassed minority, maligned by a growing nationalist movement that has used liberal values like secularism and free speech to cloak garden-variety xenophobia. France is the place, remember, where the concept of free expression has failed to stop politicians from banning headscarves and burqas. Charlie Hebdo may claim to be a satirical, equal-opportunity offender. But there’s good reason critics have compared it to “a white power mag.” As Jacob Canfield wrote in an eloquent post at the Hooded Utilitarian, “White men punching down is not a recipe for good satire.”

So Charlie Hebdo’s work was both courageous and often vile. We should be able to keep both of these realities in our minds at once, but it seems like we can’t.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2015 08:32 pm
@engineer,
Do you watch South Park? Did you go to a Carlin show and make it a point to walk out when he started talking about people who need to be killed? Politically incorrect speech often has value.
 

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