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Tue 8 Jun, 2004 05:02 pm
>
> At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new
constitution,
> in the year 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The
> University of Edinborough) had this to say about "The Fall of The
> Athenian Republic" some 2,000 years prior.
>
> "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
> permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up
until
> the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
> gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
always
> votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public
> treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse
due
> to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
>
> "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning
> of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these
> nations always progressed through the following sequence:
>
> >From Bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great
courage;
> >From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to
> complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence;
From
> dependence back into bondage."
>
> Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,
> Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the most recent
> Presidential election:
>
> Population of counties won by: Gore=127 million Bush=143 million Square
> miles of land won by: Gore=580,000 Bush=2,2427,000 States won by:
Gore=19
> Bush=29 Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore=13.2
> Bush=2.1
>
> Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won
> was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great
> country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
> government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."
>
> Olson believes the U.S. is now somewhere between the "complacency" and
> "apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy; with some
40
> percent of the nation's population already having reached the
> "governmental dependency" phase.
Anyone care to comment.
I can't make the connection between 'world's greatest civilisation' and the popular vote in the USA in 2000.
Is he suggesting the Roman Empire only existed for 200 years?
Or Islam?
Or England?
Or . . .
Right off the bat the math is fuzzy here.
Oh man my brother loves this kind of thing. He's to the right of attila the hun (nearly all solutions for any problem should involve copious amounts of genocide by his estimation) and he's always predicting the downfal of the democracies he hates so much.
He frequently uses the comparative lifespans as an argument. He's love the silly "vote themselves into dictatorship" argument up there.
I wish au would clean up the post however and make it easier to read.
Re: Democracies staying power.
au1929 wrote: Anyone care to comment.
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