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My Beliefs

 
 
Reply Fri 4 Jun, 2004 10:42 pm
I am politically conservative. I believe this places me in the minority.

I believe the government that governs least governs best, which is the foundation of conservative adherents.

I believe the words in the constitution mean what they say. I can read.

I believe individual liberty must be respected in order for this experiment in self-government to continue.

I believe the toll of freedom is responsibility. Those who fail to act responsibly are not deserving of freedom.

I believe you ought to pay your own way. Charity begins at home, not in Washington DC.

I believe a country without borders will soon cease to be a country.

I believe you have the inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - whatever that may be.

I believe you should be able to have all the fun you want, just not at someone else's expense.

I believe in times of peace we should prepare for war.

I believe in equality for all, but not set-asides for some.

I believe we have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

I believe in individual privacy.

I believe we should be very cautious when discussing or considering banning things.

I believe it is my job, duty and responsibility to raise my children to be responsible and accountable human beings.

I believe in leaving this country in better condition when I leave it than when I arrived.

I believe it is my civic duty to stand up for what I believe.

I believe that rewarding people for negative or irresponsible behavior only breeds more negative and irresponsible behavior.

I believe you are the Captain of your own vessel. It is no one else's fault if you run aground.

I believe capitalism is a positive force on the planet, not a repressive, ugly one.

I believe in working hard to implement what I believe.

I believe success should be rewarded, not punished.

I believe there are people who disagree with my beliefs. I don't believe they are wrong. I know they are.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 08:50 am
With a couple of exceptions your philosphy mirrors my own. You are a Libertarian! To be certain you can take the worlds smallest political quiz: http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html
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Letty
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 08:59 am
Strange, mysterman. I'm not an "anything" but I totally agree with most of your beliefs. The only problem with capitalism is that the economic system has been manipulated and undermined. by those who are totally greedy and who deem power the last absolute.
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williamhenry3
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 12:23 pm
Re: My Beliefs
mysteryman wrote:



I believe we should be very cautious when discussing or considering banning things.



I believe there are people who disagree with my beliefs. I don't believe they are wrong. I know they are.


mysteryman<

The two sentences quoted above seem to be contradictory.

By being so self-righteous, you, in effect, ban beliefs of those which contradict your own.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 12:45 pm
Re: My Beliefs
williamhenry3 wrote:
mysteryman wrote:



I believe we should be very cautious when discussing or considering banning things.



I believe there are people who disagree with my beliefs. I don't believe they are wrong. I know they are.


mysteryman<

The two sentences quoted above seem to be contradictory.

By being so self-righteous, you, in effect, ban beliefs of those which contradict your own.


No,I am not.
I think you mnight have misunderstood my meaning.
I am totally opposed to banning any reading,writing,or any other forms of anything we dont like. I guess the better way to put it was using the word censorship instead of "banning things".I believe any form of government censorship is wrong.
If you dont want to see,read,or hear something,thats your choice to make.
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doglover
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 01:18 pm
Re: My Beliefs
mysteryman wrote:
I am politically conservative. I believe this places me in the minority.


Why do you think you are in the minority when the President touts himself as a 'born again Christian' and both houses of congress are lead by members of the Republican party who are, for the most part, conservative in their way of thinking.

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I believe the government that governs least governs best, which is the foundation of conservative adherents.


So do I. I wonder though, why the republicans want to take away a woman's right to choose when/if she wants to have children, deny people of the same sex who love one another and want to commit from marrying...etc.


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I believe the words in the constitution mean what they say. I can read.


I wish GWBush could/would do the same.

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I believe individual liberty must be respected in order for this experiment in self-government to continue.


This is an experiment? Confused

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I believe the toll of freedom is responsibility. Those who fail to act responsibly are not deserving of freedom.


Like Saddam Hussien?

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I believe you ought to pay your own way. Charity begins at home, not in Washington DC.


That's all well and good to say, but not everybody is blessed with having a charitable family who is willing/able to give. The government has plenty of money to support big business, it can/should support those people in need.

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I believe a country without borders will soon cease to be a country.


I'm glad our borders were open so my great-grandparents could immigrate to the U.S. from Germany. Had the borders been closed in the late 1800's, I would not be an American citizen right now. Are you an American Indian mysteryman?

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I believe you have the inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness – whatever that may be.


Does that right also apply to those who would like to come to the U.S. and become citizens?

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I believe you should be able to have all the fun you want, just not at someone else's expense.


Me too, cause I'm too cheap to pay.

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I believe in times of peace we should prepare for war.


With Bush as President, we surely won't have a peacetime to enjoy because we are too busy invading other countries without provocation.

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I believe in equality for all, but not set-asides for some.


I believe affermative action is very much needed. You might not feel the way you do if you were a minority mysteryman.

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I believe we have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.


Should religion be shoved down non-believers throats?

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I believe in individual privacy.


Good! Then stop worrying about what people say and do!

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I believe we should be very cautious when discussing or considering banning things.


Could you please pass that idea on to Bush and his Administration. I think they forgot how important free speech is.

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I believe it is my job, duty and responsibility to raise my children to be responsible and accountable human beings.


I agree with you there mysteryman.

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I believe in leaving this country in better condition when I leave it than when I arrived.


Me too. That's why I'm volunteering/voting for Kerry in the fall. If Bush gets four more years this country may never fully recover from the damage he's done.

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I believe it is my civic duty to stand up for what I believe.


Me too! Cool

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I believe that rewarding people for negative or irresponsible behavior only breeds more negative and irresponsible behavior.


For proof of that statement, just look at the Bush family.

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I believe you are the Captain of your own vessel. It is no one else's fault if you run aground.


Crap happens to even the best of us. Most of us, at one time or another in our lives, many times through no fault of our own, need a helping hand.

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I believe capitalism is a positive force on the planet, not a repressive, ugly one.


Depends on who you are.

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I believe in working hard to implement what I believe.


So do I.

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I believe success should be rewarded, not punished.


Success is rewarded...usually with bigger paychecks. That's why those people who are most successful should pay the most taxes.

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I believe there are people who disagree with my beliefs. I don't believe they are wrong. I know they are.


Said like a true compassionate conservative. Rolling Eyes
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 02:04 pm
Re: My Beliefs
doglover wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I am politically conservative. I believe this places me in the minority.


Why do you think you are in the minority when the President touts himself as a 'born again Christian' and both houses of congress are lead by members of the Republican party who are, for the most part, conservative in their way of thinking.

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I believe the government that governs least governs best, which is the foundation of conservative adherents.


So do I. I wonder though, why the republicans want to take away a woman's right to choose when/if she wants to have children, deny people of the same sex who love one another and want to commit from marrying...etc.


Quote:
I believe the words in the constitution mean what they say. I can read.


I wish GWBush could/would do the same.

Quote:
I believe individual liberty must be respected in order for this experiment in self-government to continue.


This is an experiment? Confused

Quote:
I believe the toll of freedom is responsibility. Those who fail to act responsibly are not deserving of freedom.


Like Saddam Hussien?

Quote:
I believe you ought to pay your own way. Charity begins at home, not in Washington DC.


That's all well and good to say, but not everybody is blessed with having a charitable family who is willing/able to give. The government has plenty of money to support big business, it can/should support those people in need.

Quote:
I believe a country without borders will soon cease to be a country.


I'm glad our borders were open so my great-grandparents could immigrate to the U.S. from Germany. Had the borders been closed in the late 1800's, I would not be an American citizen right now. Are you an American Indian mysteryman?

Quote:
I believe you have the inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - whatever that may be.


Does that right also apply to those who would like to come to the U.S. and become citizens?

Quote:
I believe you should be able to have all the fun you want, just not at someone else's expense.


Me too, cause I'm too cheap to pay.

Quote:
I believe in times of peace we should prepare for war.


With Bush as President, we surely won't have a peacetime to enjoy because we are too busy invading other countries without provocation.

Quote:
I believe in equality for all, but not set-asides for some.


I believe affermative action is very much needed. You might not feel the way you do if you were a minority mysteryman.

Quote:
I believe we have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.


Should religion be shoved down non-believers throats?

Quote:
I believe in individual privacy.


Good! Then stop worrying about what people say and do!

Quote:
I believe we should be very cautious when discussing or considering banning things.


Could you please pass that idea on to Bush and his Administration. I think they forgot how important free speech is.

Quote:
I believe it is my job, duty and responsibility to raise my children to be responsible and accountable human beings.


I agree with you there mysteryman.

Quote:
I believe in leaving this country in better condition when I leave it than when I arrived.


Me too. That's why I'm volunteering/voting for Kerry in the fall. If Bush gets four more years this country may never fully recover from the damage he's done.

Quote:
I believe it is my civic duty to stand up for what I believe.


Me too! Cool

Quote:
I believe that rewarding people for negative or irresponsible behavior only breeds more negative and irresponsible behavior.


For proof of that statement, just look at the Bush family.

Quote:
I believe you are the Captain of your own vessel. It is no one else's fault if you run aground.


Crap happens to even the best of us. Most of us, at one time or another in our lives, many times through no fault of our own, need a helping hand.

Quote:
I believe capitalism is a positive force on the planet, not a repressive, ugly one.


Depends on who you are.

Quote:
I believe in working hard to implement what I believe.


So do I.

Quote:
I believe success should be rewarded, not punished.


Success is rewarded...usually with bigger paychecks. That's why those people who are most successful should pay the most taxes.

Quote:
I believe there are people who disagree with my beliefs. I don't believe they are wrong. I know they are.


Said like a true compassionate conservative. Rolling Eyes


Not every republican is a conservative,and not every conservative is a republican.I dont believe Bush is a conservative,no matter what he says.
The same statement holds true for your next comment also.

Yes,in many ways this country is an experiment.It is still ongoing and evolving.We started as a colony,were the first ones to overethrow our colonial masters,and formed a govt unheard of at the time.

Yes,like Saddam Hussein,and every other criminal convicted and in prison.I If you refuse to follow the rules of civilized man,then you dont get the protections of civilization.

Charity begins with your family and your church.You shouldnt expect Washington to pay for everything.Thats what neighbors,family,and church is for.

I am NOT opposed to immigration,but I AM opposed to illegal immigration.If people dont wany to come here legally,they should be forced to return to their native lands. If people come here legally and want to become citizens,then they have every right to,I dont oppose that.

I believer that ANY form of affirmative actrion or set asides is wrong,for anyone.If you cant succeed on your own,dont ask the Govt to help you.

No,religion should not be "shoved down the throats of non believers",but you should not be able to shove your non belief down my throat either.If I wanna pray in school,if I wanna hold a prayer meeting in a city park,if I wanna use the words Under God in the pledge,you do not have the right to stop me,just because you dont believe.

I dont worry or care what other people say or do,except and until it concerns me.But,I do believe that your right to say and do what you want ends at my property line.

Doglover,just as you and other liberals believe that conservatives are wrong,I believe that the liberal philosophy is also wrong. But,I accept that as part of life.That doesnt mean I cant or wont try to change your mind.

Capitalism has worked everyplace its been tried,nobody can deny that.Has it been corrupted and abused bt some people? Yes,it has.But,its still better then the alternative.
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Letty
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 02:38 pm
mysteryman, Don't cut off reasonable dialogue. That's where the real problem comes into play in any culture.

I don't care one bit that "under God" is in the pledge no more than I care that the words "....he descended into hell.." appear in the Apostles' Creed.

As for prayer in the schools, everyone tends to make the assumption that
this means Christian prayer only, and to my way of thinking, this is where separation of church and state has the biggest import. As for capitalism, if done with a conscience, it's a marvelous way to build a strong nation...but if we were to emulate Christ, we would be socialists.

The Revolutionary War was as unpopular as The Viet Nam War and as is the present war, among many folks. As I once discussed on a history thread, there are two theories concerning The American Revolution--The conspiracy theory, and the Theory of inevitability. I tend to favor the conspiracy theory, because I think that idea perpetrates ALL wars.

I come from a military family, and I have listened to all the perspectives. Do you know that the last war declared by Congress was WWII? Of course you do. That is undermining our balance of power in this country.

To be frank, I no longer know the difference between a liberal and a conservative.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 03:13 pm
It is not the words that becomes a problem, but the application of the words is where the fight begins.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 03:58 pm
Letty,
I would never presume to cut off reasonable dialogue,but the key word is reasonable.
As to often happens,on A2K as well as other sites,is the reasonable dialogue soon descends into unreasonable,hate filled,silly name calling.
Yes,both sides are guilty of it,and both sides claim to be the innocent victims of it,and yes,I am guilty of falling into it sometimes too.
But,when the dialogue turns into a slugfest,its time to leave.
I dont hate liberals,and I have and will deend their right to their beliefs,but that doesnt mean I agree with them,or want them in positions of power.
Just like liberals dont like me and my beliefs.
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Radikal
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 04:18 pm
?
"Just like liberals dont like me and my beliefs."

I don't dislike you. I don't know you and prolly never will. I disagree with some of your beliefs and agree with some others.

I watched the Libertarian Convention. It was interesting. I believe that most Libertarians are bright and thoughtful. I agree with their positions regarding social matters and disagree with their position on Capitalism.

Seems that Paleo-Conservatives and Libertarians are quite close in political philosophy.

The Republican Party is in a fractured condition, isn't it?
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Letty
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 04:52 pm
Then we all must come to this conclusion.

mysteryman has fought and makes no apologies for his beliefs.

edgar has experienced the military, and makes no apologies for his beliefs.

I have only experienced through the minds of others, but make no apologies for my beliefs.

And that is what differentiates the human animal from the rest of the kingdom.

Tonight, Ronald Reagan has died. I never...and I mean NEVER agreed with his policies, but as Wolf Blitzer said, his timing was perfect, and he had the best sense of humor--therein was his epithet, The Great Communicator.

Radikal, I think we all have hit on a commonality, and that is, we love our country, but never overlook her faults.

Incidentally, mysteryman. I appreciate the opportunity to express my inwardness, and in that I give you a vote of thanks.

And neat doglover, you aren't all fluff and nonsense. You know damn well how to carry your knapsack. Salute.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 06:16 pm
I believe I'll have another beer.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 06:39 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
It is not the words that becomes a problem, but the application of the words is where the fight begins.


Indeed. (See edgar we agree yet again)

I'm not sure too many people are going to seriously object to any of these "beliefs." (Except perhaps for #1)

This list has been making the rounds of the internet for some time now. I've not read a liberal version, but I have no doubt that one could be compiled by that would engender only minimal criticism from conservatives.

As Letty has commented, this suggests that we have a lot in common on the basics. Applying them can and should give rise to debate and disagreement, but loathing?
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 07:23 pm
I believe you to be sincere in your beliefs mysteryman, and no one can dispute that you have the courage of your convictions.

Therefore I can only respect and admire you. Even if I bitterly and utterly disagree with some of the things you say my impression is that you are worthy of respect.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 08:31 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I believe you to be sincere in your beliefs mysteryman, and no one can dispute that you have the courage of your convictions.

Therefore I can only respect and admire you. Even if I bitterly and utterly disagree with some of the things you say my impression is that you are worthy of respect.


BPB,
Both here and on Abuzz,you and I have gone round and round.We dont agree on much(except for the off the wall sense of humor your better half has),but I have and alsways will respect your opinions(even when they are wrong).I will defend your right to have those opinions,also.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 10:10 pm
See, we can all get along.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 10:24 pm
Turn off the computers, we're all done here.
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jun, 2004 10:32 pm
a.........post script, perhaps; if we are going to dabble in 'labels'
i would call myself a 'libertarian socialist' (or more simply - an 'extremist').

The Libertarian creed makes ultimate sense in a 'perfect' world.
This is NOT a perfect world; in this world, there are people who cannot take care of themselves, due to obscured education, physical, or mental shortcoming, or simply severe bad luck.
These people need, and deserve our help!

[wisdom without 'compassion' is not wisdom!]
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jun, 2004 09:06 am
I agree pretty much with Mysteryman's personal definition of 'conservatism'. I disagree that he is in the minority. I think if people were given a simple quiz of what they believe about most of the points raised, a good 80% of Americans would test more conservative than liberal.

The problem I think is in how the terms are presented, defined, illustrated, and/or distorted and how much the media and academia, the last bastions of pure liberalism, play a part in that.
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