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Are there any peaceful muslim nations?

 
 
vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2016 09:11 pm
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/police-raids-in-melbournes-northern-suburbs/news-story/42a0b1a83582da5bf422fdcd176ac06c

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Police raids in Melbourne’s northern suburbs

A PLOT to attack landmark sites in Melbourne’s CBD on Christmas Day has been foiled following a series of raids in Melbourne this morning, police say.

* Flinders Street, Federation Square, St Paul’s Cathedral potential targets

* Evidence of plans for an ‘explosive act’

* Alleged plotters ‘self-radicalised, inspired by ISIS propaganda’

* Five raids conducted across Melbourne

* Seven arrests, five remain in custody...

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull praised the efforts of police. “This is one of the most substantial terrorist plots that has been disrupted over the last several years,” Mr Turnbull said...
vikorr
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2016 03:42 pm
@vikorr,
Seems there were suicide bombs planned in the Melbourne Plot
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/melbourne-terror-plot-raids-police-allege-cbd-suicide-bomb-plans/news-story/41027e22700593b8349b9f12be673fb4

The part I found interesting though, was that it took the involvement of 400 police officers to stop this. That made me think 'no wonder France is having problems'

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/6a43e36116133d3f420b9808ed337ff8?width=650
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vikorr
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2016 04:07 pm
While looking at the Melbourne incident, came across Australia's list of prescribed Terrorist Organisations. 19 out of 20 are Islamist:

https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Listedterroristorganisations/Pages/default.aspx

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

Al-Murabitun
Listed 5 November 2014

Al-Qa'ida (AQ)
Listed 21 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 8 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
Listed 26 November 2010, re-listed 26 November 2013 and 26 November 2016.

Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS)
Listed 28 November 2016

Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

Al-Shabaab
Listed 22 August 2009, re-listed 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

Ansar al-Islam
Formerly known as Ansar al-Sunna—Listed 27 March 2003, re-listed 27 March 2005, 24 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 9 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

Boko Haram
Listed 26 June 2014

Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 10 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO)
Listed 5 June 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 25 May 2007, 16 May 2009, 10 May 2012 and 2 May 2015

Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 9 March 2012 and 15 March 2015

Islamic State
Formerly listed as Al-Qa’ida in Iraq—2 March 2005, re-listed 17 February 2007, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013. Formerly listed as Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant on 14 December 2013. Listed 11 July 2014 as Islamic State

Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya)
Listed 28 November 2016

Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai)
Listed 28 November 2016.

Jabhat al-Nusra
Listed 29 June 2013, re-listed 28 June 2016 and amended on 31 October 2016 to include alias Jabhat Fatah al-Sham

Jaish-e-Mohammed
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 9 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA)
Formerly known as Harakat Ul-Mujahideen—Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)
Listed 27 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Listed 17 December 2005, re-listed 28 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

Lashkar-e Jhangvi
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 9 March 2012 and 3 March 2015

Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Listed 3 May 2004, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015
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vikorr
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2016 04:57 pm
Indonesia is the most populous Muslim Nation, and also one that many people consider peaceful.

Notable is the Indonesian counter terrorism officer stating that "those looking to support jihad were media and tech savvy middle class figures and not just the disaffected from lower socio economics".

I've rearranged the order of the 1st 2 paragraphs, to give more sense to this cut down version. Full article is in the link below.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/australian-authorities-worried-over-indonesias-growing-religious-and-racial-intolerance/news-story/16962776ddec2c96053c68f3ee433786

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Australian authorities worried over Indonesia’s growing religious and racial intolerance

On a scale of 1-10 on the threat to regional security, Indonesian terror expert Al Chaidar was clear this week. It is a “9”...

It is also to this backdrop Indonesian police announced last week the mobilisation of 155,000 officers to the nation’s streets from December 23 to January 4...

“We are at an intolerance emergency, it’s horrible.

“Not only threat related with security but also threat related with diversity. Our pluralism multiculturalism is currently being threatened. Our tolerance life is also being threatened by the appearance of intolerance movements.”

He said while the West remained the target, internally and pushed from outside by groups like ISIS was faith-based intolerance. He said unlike before, those looking to support jihad were media and tech savvy middle class figures and not just the disaffected from lower socio economics.

He said there were seven main terrorist group in Indonesia, three affiliated with al-Qaeda and four with ISIS looking to make a spectacular attack and spark internal conflict like in Syria to pave the wave for a caliphate declaration. But he said the region was under threat from other ideologies looking to unite.

Earlier this year, four Islamic militant groups in the Philippines including the brutal Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) swore allegiance to ISIS with hunted jihadist Isnilon Hapilon (aka Abu Abdullah al-Filipini) anointed as ISIS “emir of Southeast Asia”...
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vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2016 07:40 pm
Is it time we asked that:
- (those parts that are) violent theology be outlawed?
- (those parts of) theology that denigrates other religions be outlawed?

Preachers of religious violence or hate, be outlawed from preaching in their religions places of worship?

This law would apply evenly to all religions.

I know France has introduced something similar, having deported 40 Imams for hate speech.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2017 04:04 pm
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/gunman-wearing-suicide-best-opens-fire-in-supermarket-in-spain/news-story/db86b1626a992f5dd1551ceb1ad34b43

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Gunman wearing suicide vest opens fire in supermarket in Spain

A GUNMAN has reportedly burst into a supermarket in Spain yelling “Allahu Akbar’.

Reports say he was wearing a suicide vest filled with gasoline and gunpowder...

Immediate reports indicate no one has been hurt and the gunman has been arrested.
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Allahbakashqadri
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jan, 2017 09:15 am
@QKid,
Yes islam always love peace and humanity islam never encourage violence
vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 01:35 am
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/uk-parliament-shooting-shots-fired-building-lockdown/news-story/3528c56770c1e8321e4941a3ef41e759

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London attack: Knifeman stabs cop, vehicle mows down pedestrians at UK parliament

- Suspect shot outside UK parliament after stabbing cop
- Attacker also mowed down pedestrians on Westminster Bridge
- At least five dead, 40 injured, including three cops
- Police treating attack as terror incident
- Attack on one-year anniversary of Brussels airport massacre...

“Islamist-related terrorism is our assumption,” Britain’s top counter-terror officer Mark Rowley told journalists, adding investigators believe they know the identity of the assailant.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 11:16 am
@Allahbakashqadri,
Ignore those who thumb's you down. They are just ignorant about the religion of Islam, and they forget Christian history with their persecution and wars.
It doesn't matter which religion any culture believes in. They have a history of atrocities against their fellow humans. Even the US history is fraught with atrocities against native Americans and minorities.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 11:43 am
@cicerone imposter,
I should also add that I doubt those who have only negative views of Muslims and Islam probably get their negative viewpoints from the media, and not from knowing any Muslim. I have a Muslim friend who lives in Tanzania. He and his wife are doctors there. My guide in Egypt is Muslim, and when he visited the US, I gave him a tour around Northern California when he visited.
I also met a young Muslim woman in Israel, and she told us about how her life is restricted by the Israelis.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 11:59 am
There is an interesting study that correlates Polygamy with Violence as the number of females available is more restricted when rich man can have several and poor are often left with none. That of course although endorsed by the Quran has nothing to do with Religion per se.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 12:22 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Look what happened in China when they instituted the one child rule, couples preferred to have boys over girls. The imbalance is now being felt by the shortage of women.
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/06/05/gender-imbalance-china-one-child-law-backfired-men-336435.html
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 04:13 pm
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Are there any peaceful muslim nations?


Khwarism (Eastern Turkish Empire). That would be a dead muslim nation....

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vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 05:37 pm
Motivation not confirmed yet. Given the similarities to London, it's worth noting:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/london-terror-attack-on-uk-parliament-fears-of-copycat-in-belgium-after-man-arrested-trying-to-drive-car-into-crowd/news-story/0f916e69294031b1ef327113a8d784e8

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Fears of copycat in Belgium after man arrested trying to drive car into crowd

BELGIAN authorities have tightened security in the port city of Antwerp after a man drove his car at high speed through a busy shopping area, forcing pedestrians to jump out of the way...

The driver was identified as 39-year-old Mohamed R, a Tunisian holding French residency papers who lived in France...

In the car, authorities found knives, a shotgun and a gas can with an unknown liquid. There were no immediate reports of injuries...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 05:40 pm
@vikorr,
We have US born and bred crazies in our country too!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-ban-us-born-terrorists-middle-east-refugees-syria-iraq-iran-libya-somalia-sudan-a7557266.html
vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 05:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That you do. Same here in Australia, though they don't usually have the access to firearms that your crazies do.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 06:45 pm
In the last century and a bit, amongst ourselves in the West, while we have a lot of good in our societies, we in the west have also exhibited a steady history of:

- criticising the aspects of our societies ideas/ideology that lead to intolerance or violence
- condeming the aspects of our societies ideas / ideology that are intolerant, or violent
- opening up conversation & education against aspects of our culture – the ideas/ideology that are intolerant or violent

This can be by womens rights (working, voting, in parliament), other races (anti-discrimination laws etc), gay rights, multiculturalism policiesetc. However, in the name of tolerance, in relation to others cultures/religions/ ideologies we have:

- not criticised the aspects of their beliefs/ideologies that lead to intolerance or violence
- excused the aspects of their ideas / ideology that are intolerant, or violent
- tried to shut down conversation against anyone who criticises the aspects of their ideas/ideologies that are intolerant or violent

…this behaviour is a blatant double standard.

The principle against ideological intolerance (ie the reason & ability to criticise it) is exclusive of race, culture, belief, religion. And of course, to exercise it in one direction, you have to be prepared to exercise it in all directions (otherwise, once again, a double standard exists)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 07:50 pm
@vikorr,
Double standards exists because some groups believe they have superior genes and culture. There are still "white supremacists" in our country, and many are neoNazis. They still "hail Hitler" in this country. Anti-Sematism is still a problem; Synogogues are being burned or bombed.
https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/anti-semitism/anti-semitism-in-the-us
vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 07:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I would say that that the motivations for possessing double standards vary. Superiority complex is one reason, fear is another, basic intolerance is another, lack of understanding is another, passion is another, belief systems is another, etc. Or a combination of them.
perennialloner
 
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Reply Thu 23 Mar, 2017 08:13 pm
Maybe double standards aren't necessarily wrong.
 

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