58
   

Are there any peaceful muslim nations?

 
 
Ionus
 
  1  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 07:28 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Because the PA has no power over said countries.
As the instigators of modern terrorism the PLO ran those camps and had a great deal on influence with the politics of those countries . Are you aware Jordan threw them out after they tried to take over and Lebanon's troubles started when they went there instead ? The PLO by any new name they have taken on still run those camps . You can leave after they kill you IF the government of that country has decided it isn't kowtowing to Israel to let them go . All of this is old history .
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 07:30 am
@Ionus,
Instigators of modern terrorism? I think the IRA would have something to say about that.

And it depends on when you think modern terrorism begins.

Quote:
The Royal Observatory in Greenwich Park, London was subject to an anarchist bomb attack in 1894: this was possibly the first 'international terrorist' incident in Britain. The incident was immortalised by Joseph Conrad in his novel The Secret Agent. This article draws on manuscript notes of the event made by staff members, held in the Royal Greenwich Observatory Archives, as well as contemporary newspaper accounts.

http://www.rmg.co.uk/explore/astronomy-and-time/astronomy-facts/history/propaganda-by-deed-the-greenwich-observatory-bomb-of-1894<br />

Israel was born of terrorism.

Quote:
The King David Hotel bombing was a terrorist attack carried out on Monday July 22, 1946 by the militant Zionist underground organization, the Irgun, on the British military and administrative headquarters for Palestine, which was housed in the southern wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
Ionus
 
  1  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 07:44 am
@izzythepush,
It's my opinion that bombings were an old fashioned way of terrorism . Modern terrorism involves modern methods such as aircraft skyjackings . It was the Palestinians and all their offshoot terror organisations that gave us, eventually, 9/11 and modern terrorism .
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 07:54 am
@Ionus,
That's just your opinion, mine is that it can be traced back to Greenwich. And there does some to be double standards here. Terrorism is fine when it's directed at Britons but bad when the targets are American or Israeli.

(Not accusing you of those double standards btw.)
0 Replies
 
gungasnake
 
  0  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 07:55 am
Recently, El-Sisi has offered to set up some sort of a preserve for palisavages on the Sinai. That would work more or less, barbed wire and electrified fences and what not and enough real distance that they couldn't just tunnel their way into Egypt to spread havoc there...
0 Replies
 
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 11:49 am
Quote:
Jihadists in Thailand

First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/03/17/rus-dzhihadisty-v-tailande/

Quote:
Hatred towards the Thais became a motivating factor for the creation of a secret network of underground jihadist organizations, which did not have a common name or leader. But unlike other south-eastern Islamic extremists, they are not involved in international jihad and are not connected with ISIS or Al-Qaeda, mentioning that they have no use for them. However, this will not lead to a weakening of their struggle for independence, adopting violent forms of resistance against the authorities and all that, in their opinion, hinders the achievement of this goal.

The majority of Muslim extremists are young people who imagine themselves to be Mujahideen. Many representatives of the older generation of the separatist movement are watching with concern, as there is a shift in consciousness and mood of their younger “brothers in arms;” the replacement of nationalism with Islamic overtones will bring a wild jihad, accompanied by killing. But there is no split in the movement. The older generation recognizes the youth for their leadership and appreciates their militant attitude. As a representative of the older generation of separatists stated in an interview with the Global Post “the new fighters who are replacing them are better in many ways – they are more courageous than their predecessors and more determined. They have only one goal – to fight, and they are not afraid of death.”

Their armed struggle for independence, which has intensified in the last 10 years, has claimed the lives of 6,200 people, which is higher than the number killed in the Gaza Strip during the same time period. According to available data, Muslim extremists, active in South Thailand, presently commit more terrorist attacks in a year than jihadists in Yemen, or Somalia; 17,000 attacks between January 2006 and April 2014, mainly by fighters from the Mujahideen wing PULO.

Acting under the slogan, Reclamation of Patani, jihadists kill not only soldiers but also Buddhist monks, teachers (and according to data from Human Rights Watch they killed 170 people), tourists and moderate-leaning Muslims, which they considered “collaborators and traitors.” The latter account for 60% of terror victims. Rebels are hidden in every village. Murders occur daily.


Not a Muslim nation, but I don't see roses and lollipops. Or peace.
0 Replies
 
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 12:14 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
It doesn't matter how pro American and law abiding Moslems are they'll always be damned by the likes of Coldjoint and Vikorr.


And it really doesn't matter what a hollow coward like you thinks. Muslims have no allegiance to countries. The Time Square bomber who took the oath to become a citizen simply said he was lying.

The Islamic doctrine has made it impossible to know whether a Muslim is lying or not. That is an inconvenient truth that idiot wonder babies like you deny.




Go out and stop Muslim rapes. Your country has too many of them.
vikorr
 
  1  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 03:25 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
It doesn't matter how pro American and law abiding Moslems are they'll always be damned by the likes of Coldjoint and Vikorr.
Izzy, we've had enough conversations in this thread that you know you are engaging in a flat out lie.

My contention has always been:
- Islam (this is the religion, not the followers) contributes to the violence in the it's name (done by a percentage of followers)
- it is a dangerous religion (because it's teachings can justify violence to those followers inclined to violence - and there is too much of that)
- in this thread, where so many people are in denial about such (and demand proof of such), the only way to substantiate it is through examples
I have further clarified my position multiple times where I have said times that the majority of muslims are peaceful / good.

Not one iota of that condemns every muslim.

Are we about to go down the same path as previously? Will your severe personal hate of people who criticise Islam cause you to again not understand the difference between the religion (ideology), and it's followers (people)?

Will it cause you to again claim victimhood for muslims (followers / people / and as a whole) where what exists is criticism of Islam (the religion / the intolerant & violent side of it's ideology)?
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 03:36 pm
@vikorr,
Quote:
My contention has always been:
- Islam (this is the religion, not the followers) contributes to the violence in the it's name (done by a percentage of followers)
- it is a dangerous religion (because it's teachings can justify violence to those followers inclined to violence)
- in this thread, where so many people are in denial about such (and demand proof of such), the only way to substantiate it is through examples
I have further clarified my position multiple times where I have said times that the majority of muslims are peaceful / good.

Long ago I was reading a detailed argument that Islam did not start out as a brutal religion, but that due to choices made by the leaders at many points deep into history it has become one. If this is so, and if the West does indeed renounce violence as a way to impose will then I dont think that we have a choice but to go to war with Islam so long as it insists upon going to war with us. Given what a wasteland that Islamic societies have been over at least the last 1000 years it is pretty clear how that would go.
vikorr
 
  1  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 04:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Long ago I was reading a detailed argument that Islam did not start out as a brutal religion
Hmmm...the use of the word 'brutal' is...interesting. A person can be violent without being brutal Eg, a soldier can be violent without being brutal (depending on how you would define the word, and whether or not you are using it in a comparative sense).

However, the founding - Mohammed was a warrior prophet. He lead raids himself. He condoned assassinations that benefited him. When he returned to Mecca it was those who criticised him that he had killed.

According to the Islams theory of abrogation, he went from:
- teaching absolute people,
- to violence only in self defence,
- to pre-emptive breaking of treaties,
- to violence as a means of domination,
- then after suffering a severe military defeat, stated that if you face a militarily superior enemy, sue for peace and convert by any means possible until you are stronger than him
...because Allah revealed such to him as the community was capable of hearing such and surviving...and that each command superseded the old command, which (old command) was no longer valid.

That of course, is a very watered down version. And I'm not 100% I got the order right. That said - if you read the founding from a purely political perspective, Mohammed kept changing the rules to suit his political situation, as that evolved.

Quote:
if the West does indeed renounce violence as a way to impose will
I don't think that even a quick look at recent history would support this...and definitely not history over the last few hundred years.
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 04:56 pm
@vikorr,
Quote:
I don't think that even a quick look at recent history would support this...and definitely not history over the last few hundred years.

America's hyperventilation about school bullying notwithstanding....

I have no where near enough knowledge to form an opinion on this subject, just thought I would bring up the idea that current islam might in large part be a choice that has been made over the centuries by the people who practice it, that what we dont like about what is done under its name was not always a part of what was understood to be Islam.

farmerman
 
  3  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 05:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
ALERT THE MEDIA---HAWKEE JUST MADE SENSE
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 05:19 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

ALERT THE MEDIA---HAWKEE JUST MADE SENSE AGAIN!


fixed
farmerman
 
  3  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 05:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
but , like oralboy, still a legend in his own mind
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 05:33 pm
@farmerman,
How ******* poor your life must be to be this pissed off at a few words said in humor about your thanksgiving charity.

Trouble is that I see this often in liberals, but rarely in the rest of the population.

Life is short dude, try to live it well.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 05:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
How ******* poor your life must be to be this pissed off at a few words said in humor about your thanksgiving charity.


Oh snap!http://www.alien-earth.com/images/smileys/rofl.gif
0 Replies
 
farmerman
 
  3  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 05:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
What R you talking about?
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 05:53 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

What R you talking about?

Your bad attitude
farmerman
 
  3  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 06:36 pm
@hawkeye10,
well, Im working on it. How bout you?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 21 Mar, 2015 07:29 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
but , like oralboy, still a legend in his own mind

Farmerclown is still bitter from not being able to find a single fact that I've ever wrong about?

LOL!
 

Related Topics

 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.05 seconds on 01/22/2025 at 01:15:12