Are there any peaceful muslim nations?

@coldjoint,

The hate is here:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Statement-on-Muslims.htm
It equates Islam with terrorism. That is hate.

The hate is here where the author claims Islam tells men they are to beat women by completely changing the meaning of verses.:
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/p/women.html

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@parados,

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It equates Islam with terrorism. That is hate.

No it isn't, it is fact. Read the Koran. One fail.

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The hate is here where the author claims Islam tells men they are to beat women by completely changing the meaning of verses.:

How would you know the meaning to the verses? Interpretation is literal in the Koran. Fail #2.

And you do not define hate here. The only hate on those sites is Islams hate, proven by scripture and actions, that they inform people about. Like I said you do not know **** about Islam.

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@parados,

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The hate is here:

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"Don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam and
don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know. "

Read it know nothing.

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Since we hear from so many critics who either don't take the time to read this site, or simply can't understand the distinction between Islam and Muslims, we thought it best to bring together in one place what we have said in so many others over the years.

Islam is an ideology - a set of ideas. It is not defined by what any Muslim wants it to be, but by what it is. No ideology is above critique - particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Statement-on-Muslims.htm

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Let's put this in another way.

What if I formed a group and I wrote up a handbook for how this group functions. One of the rules states that you are allowed to punch in the face anyone outside the group who disagrees with the groups message, purpose or with a member of the group itself.

Then I state that we are a peaceful group, who suggest it's members to be kind and considerate to outsiders.

Wouldn't the rule be used and at the same time contradict the peaceful message?

You can't have both without someone placing more value on the rule over the peaceful message. Some will gravitate towards the rules being more important than the message while some others will say the message is more important than the rules.

This is exactly how Islam is. It condones the murder of apostates and anyone who challenges the faith from the outside. Some will exercise this right granted to them by the Koran.

Meanwhile you have others who attempt to say no Islam is about peace and being kind to others.

Sure but that doesn't prevent some members from exercising the rule to murder outsiders. This reveals the contradiction. You can't even claim that those members who take up murdering outsiders as being extremists, they are getting the go ahead from their source manuscript. They are NOT extremists.

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http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/nazism_islamism.jpg

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@coldjoint,

It would be useful to offer some facts - the Hammidian massacres 1896-1898 killed between 100,000 - 300,000 Armenians.

Armenians were largely a Christian minority in a muslim world (The Ottoman Empire)

In 1909 the Adana massacre killed a further 15000-30000 Aremenians.

The continuation of those massacres, in effect genocide, began near the start of WW1 (1915), and estimates around 1,000,000 - 1,500,000 Armenians were killed during that purge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

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We don't want to upset a major supplier of oil, do we ?
They are also trying to convince Muslims that they would be wrong to think the Qur'an supports terrorism, whether it does or not is irrelevant.

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@Ionus,

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We don't want to upset a major supplier of oil, do we ?

We are a major supplier of oil, or could be if Obama eases restrictions. He wants America dependent.

How about food for oil? How about oil for all the infrastructure America has built in Arab countries? How about cutting of all aid and watch Islam die from its own stagnation?

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@coldjoint,

I have never understood why we have to have Muslims in a Christian country. Mixing religions doesn't work. Look at all the areas that used to be non-Muslim and how effectively Islam took over. Non-Muslims aren't allowed in Mecca and non-Muslims are only allowed into Saudi Arabia on temporary visas. Why dont Muslims migrate to another Islamic country? If the West is the great Satan, surely they don't want to live here.

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@Ionus,

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Why dont Muslims migrate to another Islamic country?

A big reason is welfare. Muslim countries don't pay to well.

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I have never understood the claim of a religion of peace to have the right to murder someone who leaves. What if it was mental illness ?

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@Ionus,

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I have never understood the claim of a religion of peace to have the right to murder someone who leaves.

The claim comes from Mohammed. And about 90 or so verses say he is to be emulated. A role model who made up the rules as he went along. Abrogation proves that.

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@Ionus,

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I have never understood the claim of a religion of peace to have the right to murder someone who leaves. What if it was mental illness ?

Does it matter if the reason for leaving is mental illness, disillusionment, simple choice, conversion to another religion, or otherwise?

How though, does anyone believe the line of 'religion of peace' when the religion has god mandated holy war as a means of spreading it's religion?

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@coldjoint,

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The claim comes from Mohammed.

Be careful saying that...Mohammed couldnt write, so most of what he supposedly said was collected and written down after his death when the Sunni - Shia split was taking place.

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@vikorr,

Islam was fighting for survival from the time they went to Medina till the Hunnic invasion. It was born out of warfare so I dont know how they can claim to be a religion of peace. Perhaps it is so we dont turn on them in a war they will lose ?

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@Ionus,

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Be careful saying that...Mohammed couldnt write, so most of what he supposedly said was collected and written down after his death when the Sunni - Shia split was taking place.

Do the semantics matter if enough Sunni/Shiite's believe he did say that?

Belief has always been more powerful than fact, especially if the fact can't be established.

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@vikorr,

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Do the semantics matter if enough Sunni/Shiite's believe he did say that?

Of course they don't. I don't think Ionus understands the importance of understanding Mohammed is Islam, as much as Sharia and jihad.

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@coldjoint,

Just some notes for general info:

- Sharia = The Way. Sometimes it is called The Sharia of Mohammed.

- Islam = Submission

- Muslim = One who submits.

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@Ionus,

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Islam was fighting for survival from the time they went to Medina till the Hunnic invasion.

By the way - at what time during the rapid expansion through the middle east, and then the further expansion over centuries of the realms of Islam, was it fighting for survival?

Really, you could put the period of 'fighting for survival' down to just Mecca and Medina. After that, for hundreds of years afterwards, it was almost pure expansion....with other ways of life (in the path of expansion) fighting for survival.

What then do you have to justify such a statement? (that it was fighting for survival up until the Hunnic invasion)

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@vikorr,

Oops...I meant the Mongols not Huns. Yes they expanded, but expanding brings new enemies with each expansion. When you start off fighting for survival it is hard to know when to stop.

Their immediate neighbour was Byzantium and they conflicted for the same lands. There were the Crusades, the Reconquistadora of Spain and the Mongol invasion. All of these were very unpleasant for any Muslim to try to live through. By comparison, they were relatively polite in conquering Christian and Pagan lands, taxing people till they converted. It was Vlad Dracula who impaled 10,000 Muslim soldiers to shock them into turning around. It was the Crusaders who massacred Jews and Muslims after they laid their weapons aside. It was the Christian Spanish who gave true meaning to the word Inquisition, with a policy of killing any Jews or Muslims who didn't leave or convert, though many who converted were later suspect and killed anyway. It was the pagan Mongols who devastated Muslim lands in a manner that is still talked about today in Muslim cafes.

Whilst others were trying to exterminate them, they welcomed academics to their universities, something that was to help kickstart the renaissance.

In an age of conquest, Muslims were the polite ones.

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