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Liberal media? I’m shocked!

 
 
kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jun, 2004 06:57 pm
Yeah, it's ridiculous I know. About as ridiculous as generalizing that the media is liberal.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jun, 2004 07:11 pm
kuv....good to see ya, old chum.

What you speak to (and it's covered in some of what you've linked) is the factor that the Pew study centers on in its overview, and which our author doesn't mention...that news people are most concerned that the direction and quality of modern news has been "seriously hurt" by bottom-line considerations.



Briefly, let's take the following...
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Some 82 percent of the journalists were able to list a news organization that was "especially conservative" (most named Fox News), but an amazing 62 percent could not name any news organization that struck them as "especially liberal." Good grief. Even 60 percent of the Homer Simpson family could probably figure out that the New York Times or National Public Radio qualify as liberal.

Note the shift to "liberal" from "especially liberal". The entire purpose and meaning of the question responded to is made null. And that's done to equate the NY Times and Fox, which, of course, was not what the survey demonstrated. That's a typical move from townhall writers, and it's but another ironic instance of screed pretending to be journalism.

Or take this piece...
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Why does the news business keep hiring more and more people who disagree sharply with the customers, many of whom are already stampeding out the door for a variety of reasons?

There's a neat trick here. The customers don't want these 'left-leaning' sources they disagree with, so are stampeding away. It's a market thing...preferences are demonstrated by audience. That's the reason Fox or Rush are OK...they're successful, therefore people obviously want them.

But it is precisely sources such as the NY Times or Salon or the New Yorker or Atlantic or the Boston Globe or the New York Review of Books or CBC which DO succeed in the marketplace. The paper or magazine or newshow isn't supported by donations from Soros or the government, but by purchasers. Townhall is precisely an example of the opposite...it came into being, and it survives only because of partisan donation. So where is the stampede actually pointing?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jun, 2004 07:36 pm
kickycan wrote:
Yeah, it's ridiculous I know. About as ridiculous as generalizing that the media is liberal.


True, which I why I prefer to express it as the media, in general, has a liberal bias. Does every media outlet have a liberal bias? No. Is every member of the media a liberal? No. In general, does the media have a liberal bias? Yes.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jun, 2004 07:53 pm
This debate is ridiculous unless we have a clear definition of what liberal really means.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jun, 2004 08:05 pm
kickycan wrote:
This debate is ridiculous unless we have a clear definition of what liberal really means.


Perhaps.

It's gets boring pretty quickly too.

On to something else.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jun, 2004 08:53 pm
I'd be happy to shift over into slurs on the Irish.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jun, 2004 08:53 pm
bernie, if you want to see how faux games the viewer figures to promote itself, check this link out.


http://www.fair.org/extra/0404/fox-ratings.html

at the end of the day, it is money that talks and faux's bull$hit walks.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jun, 2004 08:55 pm
Okay here's some research data and some additional ammunition.

The point is, a huge majority of mainstream media anchors and talking heads are registered Democrats, take the liberal stance on most issues, and condemn the conservative viewpoint on most issues. When people depend on these 'gurus' for their information, they will likely develop a different point of view than would happen if more balanced information was available.


http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ED062796b.cfm

http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/welcome.asp

http://secure.mediaresearch.org/news/identifybias.html

http://www.stats.org/record.jsp?type=news&ID=75

http://thatliberalmedia.com/

http://www.brianclardy.com/04182003.html

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2002/fax20021114.asp

http://www.touchstonemag.com/docs/issues/16.3docs/16-3pg23.html
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Fedral
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jun, 2004 08:58 pm
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jun, 2004 09:22 pm
fedral

I'll not bother pasting in the contrasting quotes from Kristol et al which you've already seen.
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 05:36 am
Actually I believe Eric Alterman did a great book on debunking the "Liberal Media" and Kusvaz is right too!
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 07:12 am
Neo

Alterman's book is a really splendid example of competent and rigorous journalism. I don't think there is a single 'conservative' on this site who has been courageous enough to actually read the analysis at all.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 06:58 pm
I have read as much of Alterman's book as I could stomach, Blatham. Have you read Bernard Goldberg's "Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News"?

Having some experience in the field, I'm going with Goldberg's viewpoint (along with every credible poll out there supporting his viewpoint and calling into question Alterman's research.)
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 07:35 pm
No, I haven't read it yet. But I know I have to, so I guess I better pick it up tomorrow.

What polls call Alterman's work into question? What polls could? To call his work into question will require careful analysis of his claims and the evidence for them.
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 08:14 pm
Actually I belive Goldman's work was debunked as well.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jun, 2004 08:38 pm
neo

It has been criticized, and I've read some of those criticisms, but I haven't yet put it to the test.
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septembri
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:40 am
Again, it is worth emphasizing the point clearly made by Finn D'Abuzz that the Pew Report found that 34% of the reporters identified themselves as Liberal while only 7% identified themselves as conservative.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040524.asp

Please, no more strawmen like "Townhall".

Address the Pew Report finding above.
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septembri
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:43 am
Yes, and no one has adequately and directly addressed the copious evidence brought forward by Foxfyre and Fedral that the media is much more liberal than conservative.

Why not?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:45 am
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Most national and local journalists do not believe any national daily news organization is "especially liberal" in its news coverage. Roughly six-in-ten in both groups (62% national/59% local) say no national daily news organization strikes them as particularly liberal in its coverage. Among the minority that names a specific news organization as being especially liberal, the New York Times was mentioned most frequently (20% national/17% local).

By contrast, solid majorities of both national and local journalists say there is an organization that they think is especially conservative -- and for most the organization that comes to mind is Fox News Channel. Fully 69% of national journalists cited Fox News Channel as especially conservative in its coverage. Fewer local journalists (42%) mentioned Fox; still, a much higher percentage of local journalists named Fox than any other single news organization, conservative or liberal.
source
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septembri
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jun, 2004 12:52 am
The post above is a good one but it does not address the question as to whether the media is more liberal than conservative. It speaks to the question as to "whether any national daily organization is ESPECIALLY liberal in its views" and to the question as to whether there is 'AN organization which is especially conservative"

This does not speak to the central issue-

Whether the media is more liberal than conservative.

Again, the finding of the Pew Poll---

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"Five times more national outlet journalists describe themselves as liberal, 34 percent, than conservative, a mere 7 percent"
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