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certainty does it exist

 
 
Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 01:42 pm
Does certainty exist?
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Krumple
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 01:44 pm
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

Does certainty exist?


to a point.. ha ha I couldn't resist.

Sure it exists but context is also important.
martinies
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 01:52 pm
@Krumple,
Dosnt time rule out certainty.nothing can be certain in time surely
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 01:52 pm
@martinies,
Certainty exists within the shadow of doubt.

Usually.
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Krumple
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 01:59 pm
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

Dosnt time rule out certainty.nothing can be certain in time surely


Context is important. Otherwise you can just make games with it. You can say given enough time all things are certain.

If you lived for ever you could play the lottery and eventually you would win. Not only that but everyone would win eventually. So you can say for certainty given enough time everyone would win the lottery. There is no escape from that even though it is meaningless since we don't exist for ever.
martinies
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 02:08 pm
@Krumple,
Yes see what you mean.if you did live for ever you would have to be certainty its self.ha
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 02:11 pm
@martinies,
So it was a certainty but it isn't a certainty.

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-1pYH0TWSaNs%2FTcrXxE-3cYI%2FAAAAAAAAAkU%2F7llS2IwNdc0%2Fs1600%2FCurlyHoward.jpg&f=1
"Coitenty"
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 02:16 pm
Seems to me that "certainty" has to exist...

...because it is certain that either certainty exists or it doesn't exist.

If it exists...it exists.

If it doesn't exist...the certainty that it either exists or does not exist...exists...

...so it exists.

In fact...saying "if it doesn't exist"...becomes absurd.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 05:39 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Clever!

I don't believe in "objective" certainty, but I do believe in "subjective" certainty, the feeling of certitude--which may evaporate with time.
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Razzleg
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 10:08 pm
@martinies,
Sure, "certainty" exists...as a psychological state. And the various conditions, and types of conditions, that provoke it also supply the context for "defensible" certainties.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 10:29 pm
@martinies,
I'm not sure. . .
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Alqaholic
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 10:53 pm
@martinies,
I'm certain of death and taxes.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2014 11:26 pm
@Alqaholic,
Smash your finger with a hammer; that's certainty of real pain.
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fresco
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2014 02:10 am
@martinies,
All concepts exist with respect to other concepts. Certainty expresses 100% confidence in the nature of a state of affairs or the occurrence of an event. All the words in italics are mutually interdependent concepts, and that is as far as the argument can go, because whatever can be said about other concepts applies equally to the concept of existence itself.
martinies
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2014 03:23 am
@fresco,
Ok .so then a relative thing cant be certain.
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2014 05:14 am
@martinies,
All concepts are embedded in relative linguistic contexts. Certainty is a concept that cannot transcend that any more than any other. The fact that we use phrases like " absolutely certain" is quite acceptable without needing to specify the context.
Ref:Wittgenstein:meaning is use. Rorty:Language does not reflect reality, rather it constucts it

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2014 05:25 am
To paraphrase Ambrose Bierce:

Being certain usually means being mistaken at the top of one's voice.

martinies
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2014 05:27 am
@fresco,
Can we say then that certainty is involed in event terms but of its self does not exist then.im thinking in terms of time and syncranisity certainty is involed in both.
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2014 06:58 am
@martinies,
If observers agree on what constitutes "an event", then they can talk of its certainty or otherwise. Events are always relative to "observers" whether the act of observation is hypothetical or actual. Thus to talk of ancient events such as the extinction of the dinosaurs, involves current hypothetical observation "in the mind's eye".
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Things (including "certainty") are only meaningful with respect to observers who "things" them.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2014 09:06 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
To paraphrase Ambrose Bierce:

Being certain usually means being mistaken at the top of one's voice.
Boldly stated, sir.
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