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Sargent Donald Walters shot in the back by Iraqi captors.

 
 
Brand X
 
Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 05:16 pm
Another case of the Geneva Conventions vs Mecca Conventions

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Status changed for soldier killed in Iraq
Investigation shows POW was murdered
From Mike Mount
CNN Washington Bureau
Friday, May 28, 2004 Posted: 11:55 AM EDT (1555 GMT)


Sgt. Donald Walters' status was changed from Killed in Action to POW - Murdered.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A soldier thought to have been killed in combat in the opening days of Operation Iraqi Freedom was instead murdered by his Iraqi captors, according to a military investigation.

Sgt. Donald Walters, part of the 507th Maintenance Company, which included Pfc. Jessica Lynch, was found to have been taken captive on March 23, 2003, when the company's convoy became lost in Nasiriya.

He was later killed by his unknown captors, according to a military criminal investigation.

Pentagon officials announced the details Thursday. Walters' status was changed by the military earlier this month from Killed in Action to POW - Murdered.

His family was notified of the change this week, military officials said.

The investigation is one of several military investigations into possible war crimes committed by Iraqis or other anti-American fighters during major combat actions.

Ten ongoing criminal investigations are connected to other soldiers killed in the 507th ambush.

Walters' investigation is the first to be near completion.

Officials did not know if the same people that captured three members of the 507th alive after the ambush were responsible for Walters' murder.

Military officials could not say if any other investigations from the war had changed the status of a service member's death.

With the change of status, Walters' family receives additional benefits from the military.

Military officials said the intent of the investigation is to bring guilty parties to justice, but said to date they knew of nobody who had been brought in by the U.S. military.



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suzy
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 07:07 pm
"Another case of the Geneva Conventions vs Mecca Conventions"

So you're saying, the hell with being the better of the two evils? Still doesn't make it right! The continued attempts at justification make me ill.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 07:13 pm
suzy wrote:
"Another case of the Geneva Conventions vs Mecca Conventions"

So you're saying, the hell with being the better of the two evils? Still doesn't make it right! The continued attempts at justification make me ill.


Not at all what I am saying, no thanks for putting words in my mouth.

I'm just saying this is what we're facing, keep things in perspective.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 07:55 pm
To keep things in perspective, you might want to look at the people who have been killed by American captors. It's something like 17-18, with no official explanations for any of them?

They sure aren't acting any worse than us.

Cycloptichorn
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 08:00 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
To keep things in perspective, you might want to look at the people who have been killed by American captors. It's something like 17-18, with no official explanations for any of them?

They sure aren't acting any worse than us.

Cycloptichorn


Nobody said they were killed, they may have died while in captivity though, just like people die in our prisons.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 08:02 pm
It's looking like at least a few were killed, Brand X. Signs of torture on the corpses, etc.

Again, how is it good to say that hey, they're as bad as us? Isn't the whole point supposed to be that we're much, much better, and bringing our beacon of hope and betterness to Iraq?
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 08:05 pm
Both American and Iraqi murderers of prisoners need to come to justice and face the consequences of their actions. both are deplorable. that's it.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 08:12 pm
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It's looking like at least a few were killed, Brand X. Signs of torture on the corpses, etc.


Signs of torture still isn't evidence of murder.

We are there to show them better, our society promotes a better way.

I'm not condoning the Abu abuses but I'm damn sure not condemning the whole of America for them either.
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suzy
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 09:59 pm
Who here is?
I've been offline for a month and missed this whole prison scandal as seen by A2K.
My opinion is that, orders or no, the perpetrators are scum. I know for a fact that I could NEVER carry out such abuse and humiliation on fellow human beings, orders or not, and particularly not while mugging for the camera.
I also know that this was systemic. The soldiers did not simply take it upon themselves to do these things to Iraqis. the higher-ups should not be allowed to just walk away.
Furthermore, the administration is at fault for this, as commanders of these armed forces.
Sorry, but America, the promise and hope of so many, should never stoop to this, no matter what.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 10:08 pm
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I'm not condoning the Abu abuses but I'm damn sure not condemning the whole of America for them either.


Nobody is, brand. Who could blame the fellow sitting beneath his barber pole waiting for customers in Akron, or the plumber from Brooklyn, or you?

But it means something when such a thing is systemic, which the Red Cross and Amnesty Int say it was and senators on the commission have suggested it is.

The notion of unilateral pre-emptive warfare was not a strategy thought up by the choral group from the church down the street, not by your extended family.

But it is a policy of this american administration. And Iraq is an instance of the policy.

To say you don't blame all Americans isn't very helpful.
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