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Watermelon ToothPaste and the Issue Of Race

 
 
engineer
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 06:37 pm
@Miller,
Watermelon and fried chicken are foods that are used in poor black stereotypes. Without that background, the comic doesn't make any sense at all. It makes sense if the intruder in the bathtub comments on the "minty freshness" of the presidential toothpaste or something equally inoffensive, but commenting on the watermelon flavor is a clear racial comment. I can't see any other interpretation. Watermelon toothpaste just doesn't make sense unless it is a racial slam, then it makes perfect sense. That is the only way the puzzle piece fits.
djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 06:46 pm
as a white guy i have to admit, if someone used watermelon and fried chicken to define me i'd have no problem, both are delicious, the pictures that were posted in the thread have (for the most part) less to do with the watermelon and more to do with the caricature of the black people in the images

as for the cartoon, it was meant to get a rise, and it did
roger
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 07:19 pm
@djjd62,
You should have seen what they did to Ross Perot when he was running for president. Especially after he once said "I'm all ears".
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 07:23 pm
@engineer,
It makes sense to me after the failures of Secret Service members to prevent intruders, but I've said that before. Watermelon was rather surprising choice of words, but wasn't the thrust of the cartoon, and I don't know what was in the mind of the cartoonist. It isn't something I would have used when depicting a black person.
engineer
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 07:49 pm
@roger,
But if you want to use the exact same cartoon to make a pointed remark about the Secret Service, you can without discussing watermelon. Why watermelon of all things when that is a very well known racist stereotype? The joke is no longer on the Secret Service, it is on the President who uses watermelon toothpaste since I guess that makes him like he's at home on the plantation. If your goal was to poke at the Secret Service, that line completely bends the cartoon a different direction. Notice no one is talking about the Secret Service's failings here.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 07:52 pm
@engineer,
As I said, I don't know what was in his mind. Maybe it was intended as racist, though that is hardly the way to keep your work in syndication. From my point of view, it would have worked exactly as well with no caption.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 10:01 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

... commenting on the watermelon flavor is a clear racial comment.


The author of the post in the Boston Herald has stated that he used the idea about the "watermelon"flavor, because his children used watermelon toothpaste.

Nothing more and nothing less.

By the way, Obama is 1/2 white. He 's never been on a plantation, and neither has his wife. I don't think that many white folks consider watermelon slices and fried chicken to be racist symbols.

I think those days are long gone....Except for the PC crowd who never seem to give up.
Miller
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 10:03 pm
@revelette2,
Do you ever laugh?
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One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 04:51 am
@engineer,
Why don't you people worry more about the hateful racists instead of the humorous "racists". Last time I checked, racism is hateful, not humorous. Making a joke about someone's racial features does not make you "racist" - it makes you "offensive", but since when was "being offended" a right? Hell, these people complain about all the stupidest **** anyways, they have no room to play moral high.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 05:13 am
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

By the way, Obama is 1/2 white. He 's never been on a plantation, and neither has his wife. I don't think that many white folks consider watermelon slices and fried chicken to be racist symbols.

An earlier post showed a number of photos of black people eating watermelon that are clearly trying to be racist. The ones of Obama are trying to be as offensive as possible, tying the President to the old stereotype. You can claim ignorance if you wish, but having lived in the South my entire life, I can tell you using a trumped up picture of a black politician with a big grin holding a big piece of watermelon, maybe with afro type hair is a typical racial ploy. Do you think the placement of the watermelon is coincidental in these pictures?

http://www.bet.com/news/politics/2012/12/28/kentucky-man-defends-watermelon-eating-obama-mannequin/_jcr_content/featuredMedia/newsitemimage.newsimage.dimg/122812-politics-racist-mannequin-watermelon-kentucky-man-defends.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLram56G1FzN7cmuMAiLy4xmuzzTVkWLK85fTcntYpl-xJHPpo8g
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 05:15 am
@engineer,
It's not racist if it's humorous.

People got to learn how to make fun of themselves - that's the only thing that is keeping our sanity and genius alive. Laughing at ourselves.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 05:25 am
@engineer,
If you want to explore the way various groups have used watermelon with the President, just try a Google Images search: https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+watermelon&tbm=isch&imgil=BXTfQnpmi_UqpM%253A%253BqHtGnLOKOFVkOM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.flickr.com%25252Fphotos%25252F25429691%252540N00%25252F5094807158%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=BXTfQnpmi_UqpM%253A%252CqHtGnLOKOFVkOM%252C_&usg=__XUcwNy3qG4lyeyu2Ftt26-f0NaU%3D&biw=1564&bih=843&ved=0CCsQyjc&ei=Q3gyVIfCNoTp8AGlyIGYDg#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=BXTfQnpmi_UqpM%253A%3BqHtGnLOKOFVkOM%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fc1.staticflickr.com%252F5%252F4152%252F5094807158_197e50032d.jpg%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%252Fphotos%252F25429691%2540N00%252F5094807158%252F%3B399%3B251
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 05:30 am
@engineer,
It's not "racist".

It's "offensive".

In a world where apparently threatening people to eternal damnation isn't remotely as bad as joking about someone's racial features, even though we make fun of everything, including ourselves. Racism is pure hatred. Making jokes is not the art of hatred. So why aren't people hell bent (pun intended) on the religious that threaten people's eternal life-hood like they are towards racism? Maybe it's because not everything is at is appears and people just like to jump into the boiling cauldron? People didn't care about burning the witch - people didn't care about people being threatened to eternal hell. Yet people care about this? Of all things?

You know what my brain thinks? I think deep down in people, they have this rooted anger that consumes them. They like to watch things burn, when it doesn't affect them, so when someone gets angry, they get mad - when they themselves get angry, suddenly the rules don't apply to them. People are despicable.

Give me a break.

Wise men, great men and comedians have a sense of humor.

Politicians, presidents, idiots, business men and tyrants do not have a sense of humor.
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 05:58 am
@One Eyed Mind,
One Eyed Mind wrote:

It's not "racist".

It's "offensive".

It is only applied to one race. How is that not "racist"? Any pictures edited with President Bush showing run down shacks in the background, corn rows in his hair and a big slice of watermelon in front of him? Bush is a Southerner after all, Obama is not. If it was just "offensive", how come no one decided to offend Bush the same way? You can find hundreds of edited photos with the President with fried chicken, watermelon or both. This is a common racist move where I'm from and it's well known enough that I would figure a cartoonist for a major paper would know that.
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 06:04 am
@engineer,
Mayor resigns over watermelon email.

Some history of the "coon" stereotype that discusses chicken and watermelon.
http://www.authentichistory.com/diversity/african/3-coon/5-chickwatermelon/
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One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 06:04 am
@engineer,
Stereotypes exist because they aren't inaccurate in "most cases". People are making jokes out of people's predictable features. When I hear a joke about someone's racial features, I laugh. Why? My brain never realized that it's true, they all seem to be acquainted with X Y and Z. I laugh at any joke about people's predictable features, whether it be any race, any occupation or any place. The thing about jokes is that they contain truth and irony - a joke can't be funny if it does not contain irony.

There's a difference between people who make jokes about people's features and people who make threats about people's features. Leave the former alone.

I don't care if you can find 100's of edited photos. As long as you don't see photos of violence and death of them, the pictures are harmless. It's people that feel obligated to react to every little thing that is not harmless.
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 06:06 am
@One Eyed Mind,
I don't agree that racism is harmless.
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 06:08 am
@engineer,
From the link I posted earlier.

Quote:

The Coon Obsession with Chicken & Watermelon

Although the coon caricature can be identified by his appearance alone, creators of pop culture imagery often amplified the negative reaction to the coon by depicting him engaging in one or more disreputable behaviors. As discussed in the History of the Coon section, the coon is often portrayed as a lazy, easily frightened, inarticulate, good-for-nothing buffoon. One of the most prevalent methods of achieving this effect was to depict the coon as obsessed with stealing and eating chicken and watermelon. Of all the stereotypes of African Americans, this is the one that modern youth have the most trouble understanding. "It's just food," they say. "What's wrong with watermelon?" The answer is, that there is nothing wrong with chicken or watermelon. What is troubling is the way in which these foods have been used to portray Black Americans as less than human for the purpose of justifying systematic discrimination.
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 06:09 am
@engineer,
Racism isn't harmless, yes.

Those pictures aren't "racist". You're using this world incorrectly which is dishonest of you. I really like your posts, but right now, you're really off the deep end. Again, there's not a single hateful person in the entire world who has a sense of humor towards what they hate. Hitler had a sense of humor towards some people, that he liked, but when it came to everything else, well Hitler was a different man, now wasn't he?

You see these pictures? None of them were created by actual racists - they were created by comedians.
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2014 06:14 am
@engineer,
You see, I have a sense of humor.

When I see coon, which derives from raccoon, I say "hey, at least they have a cute creature as a name, what the hell is a cracker, and how is cracker the best example of white?"

It's saying things like this that gives life to us. Having a sense of humor instead of always hating, is the secret to restoring life back to normal from this dreadful world full of idiots, serious people, pride and authoritative hypocrisy.

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