Vaping is all the rage!!

Germlat wrote:

What about unregulated nicotine ? Plus-- an inhaler is not addictive ...used maybe twice daily if that. Vaper users depending on dependance use as much as every 15 minutes ...if not more. But--if you think denial makes you cool...be my guest.

I honestly do not follow your reasoning then, nor how you are planning to get wherever you are trying to go.

I'll keep that in mind, but I'm also cutting back on the booze...

you can up the hit by inducing a bit of ingle malt scotch into the vapor. I think booze vaping was the model for all this present nonsense

I find it interesting many people choose their vape according to taste not strength ...watermelon flavor( whatever).. Most people don't even know what strength of nicotine they're inhaling or how much nicotine they're consuming. Where on earth are they buying their liquids. Even the crap they sell in gas stations states the nicotine content.

Different pipes have varied sized reservoirs to make it more confusing.

Pipes? Just what are you talking about? Yeah, some devices have different capacities. Hey, not all fruit jars have the same capacities. Are you thinking the entire tank is inhaled in one fell swoop? I think you owe yourself some education. So--they DON'T know what their intake is...it reminds me of the waiter that keeps filling the glass of wine, while the customer says, " I don't know why I'm drunk....I only had one glass of wine". Nicotine can vasoconstrict your vessels and cause as deadly side effects as tar can. You are just flat making that up. Period.

But--as long as you know what you're getting into, I'm not interested in curtailing anyone's freedom.

FBM wrote:

I'll keep that in mind, but I'm also cutting back on the booze...

I find it interesting many people choose their vape according to taste not strength ...watermelon flavor( whatever).. Most people don't even know what strength of nicotine they're inhaling or how much nicotine they're consuming. Different pipes have varied sized reservoirs to make it more confusing. So--they DON'T know what their intake is...it reminds me of the waiter that keeps filling the glass of wine, while the customer says, " I don't know why I'm drunk....I only had one glass of wine". Nicotine can vasoconstrict your vessels and cause as deadly side effects as tar can. But--as long as you know what you're getting into, I'm not interested in curtailing anyone's freedom.

Good to know that you're doing all you can to completely leave the cigarette smoking habit and consider your health more than ever. Let me know if how are you coping with e-cigarette as an alternative.

Germlat wrote:

FBM wrote:

I'll keep that in mind, but I'm also cutting back on the booze...

I find it interesting many people choose their vape according to taste not strength ...watermelon flavor( whatever).. Most people don't even know what strength of nicotine they're inhaling or how much nicotine they're consuming. Different pipes have varied sized reservoirs to make it more confusing. So--they DON'T know what their intake is...it reminds me of the waiter that keeps filling the glass of wine, while the customer says, " I don't know why I'm drunk....I only had one glass of wine". Nicotine can vasoconstrict your vessels and cause as deadly side effects as tar can. But--as long as you know what you're getting into, I'm not interested in curtailing anyone's freedom.

Mmm...not sure where you're getting your information, but when I buy vape juice online, I have a choice of several strengths. I have to consciously choose which one I want and click on it. And when I go into a local shop to buy some, they have to ask me what strength I want, because in most brands the nicotine and diluent are in different bottles. They make it the strength I ask for. Which is always medium and tobacco-flavored for me.


Even when I buy it pre-mixed from the shop, they ask which strength I want. I know exactly how much nicotine I'm getting.

You don't understand what I mean. The effects have not as much to do with strength but actual quantity ingested. For instance, an average cigarrette yields about 1 mg of inhaled nicotine. It's clear and concise. With vapes there are numerous variables that involved. There is the dilution factor, the size of pipe reservoir, drippings from the liquid, etc. I know the premixed liquids are sold in percentages per volume....18%,6%,24%, etc. Most people can't tell you how many milligrams of nicotine /milliliter. The average person doesn't seem to know how exactly how many milligrams of nicotine they are consuming daily.

I'm not sure how you got that from what I said; I thought I said pretty much the opposite. And again, I can't speak for most people because I haven't asked them about it.

Thing is, I simply don't know most people. Even if I asked everyone I know, that's going to be an insignificant fraction of the total number of vapers. In any event, I'll keep my eyes on the news for vaping-related health repercussions, and if I see anything that concerns me, I'll quit.

E-Cigarette Debate Reignites With New Vaping Report

Sep 6, 2014, 7:26 AM ET
By LIZ NEPORENT

British researchers say electronic cigarettes could save 6,000 lives per year for every million smokers, a claim that has reignited the debate over the health impact of vaping.

In an editorial published British Journal of General Practice, the research team from University London College argued that the public health community was jumping the gun in their rush to regulate e-cigarettes the same as tobacco products.

“Given that smokers smoke primarily for the nicotine but die primarily from the tar, one might imagine that e-cigarettes would be welcomed as a means to prevent much of the death and suffering caused by cigarettes,” they wrote.

The editorial adds to a growing controversy in the scientific community about the safety of e-cigarettes. Just last week the World Health Organization called for a ban on e-cigarettes in public spaces – a move endorsed by more than a dozen public health groups calling for tighter regulations of “vaping” products.

But in an open letter to the WHO back in May, more than 50 researchers cautioned against overregulation, asking the organization to “resist the urge to control and suppress e-cigarettes.” The devices could be a significant health innovation and classifying them as tobacco will do more harm than good, the letter stated.

But the science on e-cigs as a smoking cessation tool is mixed. Earlier this year, the UCL team found that smokers were about 60 percent more likely to quit if they used e-cigarettes. But other studies have found that smokers who switched to e-cigarettes were less likely or no more likely to quit than if they used a patch or gum.

Perhaps most alarmingly, a recent study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found e-cigarette use among school age children has tripled in the last three years, with half of kids who report vaping stating that they intended to smoke conventional cigarettes within the next year.

A second editorial published today in The Lancet concluded that there isn’t enough evidence to claim e-cigarettes are safe or that they reduce levels of tobacco use.

“A credible case can therefore be made that, unless reliable evidence shows e-cigarettes to be effective cessation aids, there is little justification for their sale,” the editorial reads.

Many major health groups have expressed concerns over the rising use of e-cigarettes. Last week, The American Lung Association along with nearly twenty other public health organizations issued comments to the Food and Drug Administration, urging the agency to speed up the oversight process of vaping products.

“E-cigarettes are guilty until proven innocent, said Erika Sward the assistant vice president of the American Lung Association said, adding that regulation can’t come soon enough.

“For instance, we don’t know if people who use them would otherwise quit smoking altogether or if they eventually lead them back to using tobacco,” she added. “There are too many things about the medium and long term health effects we simply don’t know about yet know.”

Dr. Leonard Lichtenfeld, the deputy chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society, said “we cannot forget the lessons of the past where modified cigarettes were supposed to be less harmful and instead created greater harm.”

“We’re not trying to predict the future but we need to step back and understand the potential benefits and possible risks of e-cigarettes,” he said. “What we need is well done research and high quality evidence to answer the fundamental questions about the health risk of e-cigarettes and their role in smoking cessation.”

The average person doesn't seem to know how exactly how many milligrams of nicotine they are consuming daily.