What if no religions are correct, but there still is a God?

@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

So, god's willing to forgive those who embrace the Whore of Babylon?

God forgave Manasseh, who sacrificed his own children to false gods. Why would he not forgive those who have been trapped by the whore of Babylon? There is a caveat, though . ..

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Yeah, if there is a god...and if the god is willing to forgive us...and if there is anything that requires "forgiveness."

You've never done anything you regret, Frank?

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Yeah, if there is a god...and if the god is willing to forgive us...and if there is anything that requires "forgiveness."
You've never done anything you regret, Frank?

I have. Many times.

But "forgiveness?"

There is no reason for me to suppose that a god has to forgive me for being human and making mistakes...or doing stupid things. That is what humans do...and if a god made us, the god apparently had that in mind...or screwed up.

If "forgiveness" truly is a factor...it seems more reasonable that we should have to forgive the god...than the opposite.

The whole idea that I must be "redeemed" from being human...by a god capable of making the universe is an absurdity in my mind.

But if it is something you must go with...go with it. I do not judge you on that. My comment did not head in that direction...and my comment was very clear.

I love ya, Neo.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, do you do anything others consider wrong and immoral?

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
So, god's willing to forgive those who embrace the Whore of Babylon?
God forgave Manasseh, who sacrificed his own children to false gods. Why would he not forgive those who have been trapped by the whore of Babylon? There is a caveat, though . ..

How would someone with a flawed will (through their flawed conscience) chose to embrace anything else?

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@InfraBlue,

Explain what you mean by flawed will.

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@neologist,

If our consciences are defective then our wills are flawed therefrom.

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@neologist,

So difficult. I'm Christian but considered myself an Athiest for years. Up to you to decide. My great grandfather once said,

"There are three things you should never argue in this world... Religion, Politics and most importantly... Your preference in food!"

Smart man he was. Strong Christian.

Everyone's different my friends.
God bless you.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

If our consciences are defective then our wills are flawed therefrom.

All the more reason for us to heed Paul's words at 2 Corinthians 13:5

Quote:

Keep testing whether you are in the faith...

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@farmerman,

If you are so smart, then tell me, how does the brain work? How has matter been progressively getting larger and more complex over time without a God? (Evolution does not explain it) My point being, that there are certain truths that people deny and it shows up in everyday life.

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@neologist,

As of today, no true religion is correct. For a true religion to be present, people must live in a different reality.(the one intended by God)

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@neologist,

Asked this one myself. Seems infinitely more likely. Smile

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Thetruthishere wrote:

For a true religion to be present, people must live in a different reality.(the one intended by God)

And you know this how?

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@neologist,

You're down to quoting partial verses, now?

The full verse reads, "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?"

I would think a defective conscience equates to "failing the test."

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

You're down to quoting partial verses, now?

The full verse reads, "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?"

I would think a defective conscience equates to "failing the test."

Why not read verse 6 while you are at it?

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@neologist,

"And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test."

Paul is saying that he and his followers haven't failed the test.

Apparently, he's convinced that his conscience isn't defective.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

"And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test."

Paul is saying that he and his followers haven't failed the test.

Apparently, he's convinced that his conscience isn't defective.

But, if you read enough of Paul, you will realize your conclusion is spurious.

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
"And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test."

Paul is saying that he and his followers haven't failed the test.

Apparently, he's convinced that his conscience isn't defective.
But, if you read enough of Paul, you will realize your conclusion is spurious.

So then, it takes more than just a partial quote, and then two lines of verse to get at what you're saying that Paul is saying about defective consciences and free will.

So, what is he saying, exactly?

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@InfraBlue,

I prefer the New World Translation:

Quote:

Keep testing whether you are in the faith; keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved. 6 I truly hope you will recognize that we are not disapproved. (2 Corinthians 13:5)

Why we can't trust our "conscience", without some sort of self examination:

Quote:

The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

Quote:

Whoever trusts in his own heart is stupid, But the one who walks in wisdom will escape (Proverbs 28:26)

What if no religions are correct, but there still is a God?

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