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What if no religions are correct, but there still is a God?

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 16 Mar, 2024 02:45 pm
@coluber2001,
Joseph Campbell wrote:

God is a metaphor for a mystery that absolutely transcends all human categories of thought, even the categories of being and non-being. Those are categories of thought. I mean it's as simple as that. So it depends on how much you want to think about it. Whether it's doing you any good. Whether it is putting you in touch with the mystery that's the ground of your own being. If it isn't, well, it's a lie. So half the people in the world are religious people who think that their metaphors are facts. Those are what we call theists. The other half are people who know that the metaphors are not facts. And so, they're lies. Those are the atheists.


Christina Anne Knight wrote:

Religion: a metaphysical system constructed on an architectural framework of superstition and myth, that attempts to explain the nature of reality, and the relationship of our species to it, which along with a body of ritual, and a static code of ethical formulation, is perpetuated via cultural transmission, for the psycho-physiological alleviation of existential angst and is epistemologically dependent on magical thinking, delusion, and confirmation bias.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sat 16 Mar, 2024 04:02 pm
@coluber2001,
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Mysticism is the basis of all religion,


Not so old mate, science is the basis of the true religion, which reveals the one and only creator of this ever evolving and oscillating universe. Thousands of years ago the greatest minds taught that every expanding universe was followed by a contracting universe and that each generation of the eternal evolving universe was swallowed by the great Abyss [Black Hole] which was said to be the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven.

The Shapley Super Cluster, is the largest concentration of galaxies in our nearby universe, which forms a gravitational anomaly that is PULLING ITSELF TOGETHER instead of expanding with the universe. See the Shapley Supercluster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapley_Supercluster

When this particular generation of the universe is crushed back to the singularity from which it originated. all the information of this cycle goes into the mouth of that monstrous dark abyss with it from which it is resurrected as the next generation to continue on in its eternal process of evolution.

“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being too non-being, and again from non-being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all, the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.

‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest are referred to in the book of Genesis 2: 4; as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth,” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; it is written concerning the six days of creation; “These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc.” And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection, are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles of endless rebirths that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.


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The Anointed
 
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Reply Sat 16 Mar, 2024 08:56 pm
@hightor,
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Christina Anne Knight wrote: Religion: a metaphysical system constructed on an architectural framework of superstition and myth,


It is believed that not only did mankind, who had developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, evolve on earth in the sixth generation of the universe, but also that the ‘SON OF MAN’ who develops within the body of mankind was also born at the close of that generation, with the death of the body of mankind.

I wonder if the early Greeks knew this. Zeus was the sixth child born to Time (Kronos) and Space (Rhea), Time was his father and Space his mother. Zeus is the Godhead, the Most-High that was created on the sixth day, or the sixth period of universal activity, the sixth generation of the universe. Zeus, the sixth child born to Time and Space is called the father of Gods and men, the most high and powerful among mortals, whom all others obey.

His five siblings, Hestia, Demeter, Hera, Hades, and Poseidon were swallowed by their father ’Time’ immediately after they were born. The five generation universal bodies, who were born to Time and Space prior to the sixth universal child, did not develop a mind, that is to say, a spiritual godhead to the universal body in which they were developing, before they were swallowed by their Father, ‘TIME’.

When Zeus was born, his mother ’Space’ hid him in a cave, a tunnel (A worm hole) and gave to her partner ‘Time,’ a stone wrapped in swaddling cloth, which he swallowed. The stone swallowed by Time was none other than the philosopher’s stone, the concealed stone of many colors, the single stone with seven facets, the mystic seed of transcendental life, which should invade, tinge, and wholly transmute, the imperfect self into spiritual gold.

The son of Zeus and his sister wife Demeter, is Dionysus who is equated with Osiris, The Platonists who believed the Greek myths, called Dionysus, the mind within us, our master, our indwelling ruler.”

Demeter was the sister wife of Zeus and mother of Dionysus [The firstborn son of Zeus and the successor to the throne of the spiritual godhead to the human race] whose body was torn to pieces by the Titans, then boiled in water before being roasted in fire; [The baptism of blood, water, and fire.

When Zeus had grown, it was by a cunning devise of Metis ‘which is divine wisdom,’ that Cronos (Time) was forced to bring up the five children or the previous five generation universal bodies that he had swallowed before they had developed a Supreme personality of godhead within them, but first of all, the seven faceted stone.

Those children who were swallowed by time, were the product of the first five creative days or periods of universal activity, (The first five generations of the universe.) Osiris like Adam was the first man to be mummified and Osiris is the god of the first of the five new made days.

Osiris/Adam, the first man to be mummified, was created by “The Son of Man,” ‘ZEUS’, who was born at the close of the 6th generation, who was ‘the Lord to the glory of ‘EL’ the creator.

Budge—Book of the Dead, p. 627, “O Osiris, son of Nut (Primeval matter), I have given unto thee the Sovereignty of thy father Seb (Time), and the goddess Mut (Space), thy mother, (Lord of Space and Time) who gave birth to the gods, brought you forth as the first born of five gods, and created thy beauties and fashioned thy members.”

Isis, the sister wife to Osiris, was the most popular goddess from the time of Psamtik 1 (663-610 B.C) till the coming of Christianity, her cult appealed to the Greeks and Romans alike and when Egypt came under Roman rule, her cult spread through much of Europe. By the time of Jesus, the chief center of her worship was in Rome. Isis is commonly depicted with Horus the child (Harpocrates) on her lap, and today, it is impossible for the average punter to distinguish between the late pagan and early Christian figures of the mother and child, it’s almost as though the old Pagan Queen was stripped of her old garments and clothed with the new covering of Christianity.

It has been said in the Pseudepigrapha of the Jewish bible, that it was (Jah-el) Lord to the glory of ‘EL’ the creator, who is thought by some to have been born at the close of the sixth day, who, in the beginning of the seventh day, on a barren earth, with the seeds of the previous age still in the earth, created from the frozen genetic material of the previous age, Adam/Osiris and his sister wife, cloned from cells in the marrow of his rib, then later, also from frozen genetic material, the animals we have in this age.
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2024 12:23 pm
It's difficult to discuss religion when the only statement you can make about religion is that you can't make a statement about religion.

Those who make statements about religion are either victims of indoctrination or seekers, and seekers are those involved in a trap they have set for themselves and from which they have yet to extricate themselves.

And also conmen, of course, the Elmer Gantries.
coluber2001
 
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Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2024 02:35 pm
Student: What happens after death?

Zen master: How should I know?

Student: But you're a Zen master!

Zen master: But I'm not dead.
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2024 04:58 pm
@coluber2001,
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It's difficult to discuss religion when the only statement you can make about religion is that you can't make a statement about religion.


DEFINE what you mean by religion.

Religion can be any objective pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. I would classify Atheism as your religion and the definition of Atheism is—‘’The doctrine that there is no God or that the word ‘’GOD’’ and statements about it or using it are meaningless.’’

So now it’s up to you to prove that there is no intelligent design in the creation that the singularity of origin has become.

Perhaps you can begin by explaining how an earth crawling caterpillar nearing the end of its life, builds for itself a tomb in which it encases itself and dies, decomposing into juice, which juice is then created into a beautiful winged creature.

I very much doubt that even a team of our top scientists in that field can even begin to understand that process let alone duplicate it, but you are entitled to try to explain the intelligence behind that creative process.

I would like to summarize by saying that I believe you have been trapped into following a false religion.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2024 09:32 pm
@The Anointed,
The Most High to have developed within the previous generation of the universe, said to his creation ‘ADAM’ as he lay dying and asking if he could eat from the tree of life, ‘’Dust thou art and to dust you must return, but I promise you that when the resurrection comes around again, I will raise you and every one of your seed,’’

When the many millions upon millions of galaxies that are flowing toward the Shapley Super cluster which is gravitationally pulling itself together instead of expanding with the universe, have all been devoured by the great abyss and gravitationally crushed into a singularity, which is a region of space-time in which matter is crushed so closely together that the gravitational laws explained by general relativity break down.

In a singularity, the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite. General relativity demands such a singularity, with all its information must exist at the beginning of an expanding universe. Then all who are of the seed of Adam and have not earned the right to enter into the eternal kingdom, will be resurrected to do it all over again. They will be given new bodies in which to develop new righteous minds.
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Tue 19 Mar, 2024 03:40 pm
Eventually, you have to come to the realization that all references to the divine are metaphorical.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 19 Mar, 2024 08:43 pm
@coluber2001,
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Eventually, you have to come to the realization that all references to the divine are metaphorical.


Eventually, YOU will have to come to the realization that all references to the divine being who has become all that exists, is proven scientifically.

This is the condensed account of creation as recorded in Genesis’.....…”In the beginning God created the universe, and the (heavens, and the earth) were formless and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and God’s active force was moving on the face of the waters. Then God said let there be light.”

Here is the scientific theory of creation........In the beginning, there was the “BIG BANG” which is said to have spatially separated the supposed infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity. This event spewed out a liquid like soup of electromagnetic energy in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, it was from the quantum of that plasma liquid-like electromagnetic energy that the earth and all the heavenly bodies would be created, and although, all that the earth was created from, was already there in the beginning, the earth at that time had neither constant shape or mass, which meant it was formless and void, and no suns had yet come into existence to light up the darkness of the expanding space.

But there was momentum (The creator’s active force, which was moving on the face of the waters, or liquid-like plasma) within that ever-cooling cosmic cloud of wave particles, which wave particles are the quantum of that liquid like electromagnetic energy and are not really particles at all as they have zero mass and no electric charge, yet they carry angular and linear momentum.

One would expect that those wave particles which are the quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy, would have continued to expand further and further away from each other in the expansion of the universal building material.

But with the angular momentum of those waves, they collided with each other in nuclear fusion in the creation of the first basic sub-atomic particles. As the universal temperature dropped to some billions of degrees, the dark energy, which was the expansion’s acceleration force, began to form into dark matter, hydrogen and helium, with trace quantities of lithium, beryllium, and boron.

As the universe expanded and cooled, more hydrogen molecules were formed, [which is the simplest possible molecule. It consists of two protons and two electrons held together by electrostatic forces]. and from these, after some three to four hundred thousand years of attraction, came the formation of the first gigantic Hydrogen stars, [Massive atomic reactors] from which the galaxies would later be created.
Astronomers today, claim that they can see the light from those first stars from a time when the Universe was only 380,000 years old:

Then, with the creation of those first stars came light, “Let there be light.” Which was not the light from the sun of this minor solar system within our Milky Way galaxy, which solar system would not be created for some nine billion years after the creation of those first massive stars that lit up the darkness of the bottomless pit, in which massive nuclear reactors the heavier elements were created.

Bursting into life and light throughout the primitive universe over an unknown period of time, those first generation stars would have been thousands upon thousands of times as massive as our Sun and millions of times as bright, but each one burned for only a few million years before meeting a violent end, when they exploded out in a brilliant flash before collapsing in upon themselves creating the massive centrally condensed systems called ‘Black Holes..’

At that point in time, the previous generation of the universe, which had been torn to pieces and crushed into a singularity, had only begun to reconstruct the universe according to the information that was taken into the great abyss, which was the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, but it will continue to bring to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in it, before continuing on, in the eternal process of growth[evolution] as it prepares the seed for the generation that will follow it.


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The Anointed
 
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Reply Mon 22 Apr, 2024 07:57 pm
@hightor,
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Joseph Campbell wrote: ..... Christina Anne Knight wrote:


Some people believe in the infallibility of the Pope; it appears that you believe in the infallibility of Joseph Campbell and Christina Anne Knight. Well let me put you on the right track mate, they don't know what they're talking about.
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The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 23 Apr, 2024 11:20 pm
@hightor,
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Joseph Campbell wrote:

God is a metaphor for a mystery that absolutely transcends all human categories of thought, even the categories of being and non-being. Those are categories of thought. I mean it's as simple as that. So it depends on how much you want to think about it. Whether it's doing you any good. Whether it is putting you in touch with the mystery that's the ground of your own being. If it isn't, well, it's a lie. So half the people in the world are religious people who think that their metaphors are facts. Those are what we call theists. The other half are people who know that the metaphors are not facts. And so, they're lies. Those are the atheists.


In the days of Paul, it was believed by faith alone, that all visible matter in the universe was built by the gathering together of smaller and invisible particles. Today we know this to be a fact, Matter is but the gathering together of invisible molecules, created by the gathering together of invisible atoms, which themselves are created from the gathering of invisible sub-atomic particles that are formed from Photons or wave particles, which are not particles at all, although generally regarded as discrete stable elementary particles, having zero mass, no electric charge, yet carrying angular and linear momentum. . . . . . . . . From the seemingly nothingness was the world created.

In fact, it has now been revealed that matter is no more than an illusion. Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.

If you observe the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this apparent material universe at the time of the Big Bang, was, according to the most popular theory of the creation of this universe, pure electromagnetic energy, which, In my Opinion, was spewed out of a WHITE HOLE, in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, or, according to scientific measurements (180 million trillion, trillion degrees Fahrenheit), which electromagnetic energy has been converted to that which we perceive as matter, only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch, when all will be ripped apart atom by atom, subatomic particle by subatomic particle, and fall as fire into the Great Abyss, or Black Hole that is connected to a White Hole at the end of an Einstein Rosen bridge that connects the two.

Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like ‘A GREAT THOUGHT’ than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

This would appear to compliment Paul’s statement in Romans 1: 18-23; that the eternal, who has neither beginning or end, had made himself manifest as this visible cosmos, and all that can be known about the eternal has been made plain to us in the creation itself, which is the eternal invisible MIND, ‘The GREAT THOUGHT’ made visible as it has evolved today.

I wonder if the average punter believes the unsubstantiated old works of Joseph Campbell, or whether they believe the scientists of today, such as R.C Henry, who said. ’’The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like ‘A GREAT THOUGHT’ than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the 'CREATOR and GOVERNOR' of the realm of matter.’’

izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 30 Apr, 2024 07:17 am
@The Anointed,
The Anointed wrote:

In the days of Paul, it was believed by faith alone, that all visible matter in the universe was built by the gathering together of smaller and invisible particles.


Do you have a source, or is this another made up "fact"?
The Anointed
 
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Reply Tue 30 Apr, 2024 04:41 pm
@izzythepush,
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Do you have a source, or is this another made up "fact"?


There is no such thing as a made-up facts old mate, it is either a fact or it's fiction and I don't deal with fiction.

Around 440 BC., some 500 years before Paul, Democritus and Leucippus suggested the idea of the atom, an indivisible particle that all matter is made of. To the ancient Greeks the word atom meant indivisible. It was used to describe the smallest indivisible piece of a matter. Atom was derived from the Greek word atomon or atomos meaning indestructible.

Hebrews 11. 3; It is by faith that we understand that the universe was created by God's word, and that what can be seen was made out of what cannot be seen.

Paul and his mob did not believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? but that a life-force of eternal energy, which has neither beginning or end, has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] has become and is the collective consciousness of all that it is.


izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 1 May, 2024 02:25 am
@The Anointed,
No sources, just made up bullshit.

At last you admit to being a fantacist.

My use of inverted commas a too much of a challenge in days of "alternative facts"?

Oh look, there they are again.
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kjw47
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2024 03:38 pm
Gods kingdom rule will bring lasting peace. False religions and govts cause division which causes war.
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