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What if no religions are correct, but there still is a God?

 
 
GuiltSpreadsOutwards
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2022 08:27 am
@neologist,
Of course no religions are correct, they've all been interpreted, received, deciphered by man. How many versions are there of the bible alone, then there are all the interpretations and the apocrypha. If there is a God he must be able to make himself known. All religions are just systems for finding that connection. If following a religion gives you the feeling you are connected to God that is the one you will follow. It is all about whether you believe that feeling is true. We all know Euclidean geometry proves no one can truly understand Gods intention it's too far beyond us but maybe you can get hints through a connection and follow them. Whatever gets you to that place.
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2022 02:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes, because these things are idols.

Destroying history is no good. Destroying art is no good. But icons and idols have no place in modern worship. That is, there is a difference from destroying Babylonian buildings because they secretly remind Muslims of other cultures or their own secret past, but nobody actively worships them. And destroying yet another iteration of the "Blessed Virgin Mary", the Buddha, or a place that Muslims literally kneel to today. The latter should stay untouched as a monument in same way that nobody should touch the Washington or Lincoln monuments. We should know who Buddha is and what he taught. But "If you see Buddha, kill him." Buddha himself didn't wanna be worshiped.

There is a difference between smashing history because you want to erase everything non-Muslim, and smashing idols because after the Enlightenment, we were supposed to have outgrown them. Btw, we wouldn't be smashing them. We would be melting them down to make more gold coins, which would do good for paperless economies, allowing those countries to buy food and other goods.
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JoshuaRay
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2022 06:58 pm
This is the path I chose to follow. There are too many contradictions within religion. I choose to believe in a creator, the God of Abraham, and choose to believe that people have twisted his intentions to suit themselves. Even Judaism as we know it. I choose to believe his intentions were for people to just keep the 10 commandments, which are so simple and basic. Based on them we’re only supposed to worship God entirely and respect each others lives and property. Under that form of worship, peoples minds are more free to discover and be creative. But the entire planets’ religions are worshipping idols, whether it be men or crosses or buildings or books. If you believe in a creator, do you not believe he created you with a brain you should use? But then so many people choose not to think and seek comfort in ignorance. So are they really worshipping the Creator. I was born into the Catholic Church and kept trying to make sense of their wrongs. I finally gave up. But here are just some of the contradictions.

1. Is the encouraging of the denial or neglect of a child due to their sexuality not child sacrifice? Isn’t child sacrifice a terrible sin based on the Old Testament? It’s suppose to be the worst.
2. Don’t the Commandments state people should only worship God, not other Gods or images of God in the heavens? If Jesus was in fact God and is in heaven now, would the cross not be a representation of him in the heavens? And if the Pope represents Jesus within the faith, did they not set him up to represent God? Why would God want people to treat a man as equal to the Creator? Unfortunately many religions promote the practice of finding God through men, without specifically stating that the men represent God because people know it’s forbidden.
3. The idea that children need to be cleansed of sin would imply that children aren’t seen as innocent within the Church. Furthermore, if the child sex scandal carried over from pederasty, an ancient European practice, it would indicate that they have done it since their beginning. So would one not assume that the religion was founded by men, representing God, denying the innocence of children, all while performing sexual acts on children?
4. Could pederasty/molestation not have its origins in men pretending not to be sexual? If one couldn’t control their sexual desires and didn’t want others to know, a child would be the perfect instrument to keep silent through fear and shame, wouldn’t it? And if these men see themselves as equals to God, it would make sense that they only see children as instruments, inferior. If these men performed sexual acts on children while denying the innocence of children since it’s beginning, did they ever have a grasp on what’s natural? Matthew 18 would indicate that Jesus believed children were innocent and that those wishing to inherit heaven should become like a child. If God’s presence was within the Catholic Faith, would He allow children to be molested?
5. Ezekiel 16:49-50 states, Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.” Haughty means arrogantly superior. This sounds more like the priesthood than people that are actually grounded. And Genesis 19 states 4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6. How would one gather that this would mean anything other than that the sins of Sodom were that they were uncivilized towards visitors and practiced gang rape. Saw themselves as superior and free to do as they wished, haughty. Again more similar to priests than adults seeking relationships with other adults. Historically, people have referenced homosexuality alone as their sin. Lot offered his daughters. If they were allowed to have their way with Lots daughters, would Sodom have been saved? It seems as though people might have missed the message. By putting emphasis on the homosexual desire of the mob, they pay little consideration to the fact that even God (Ezekiel 16) stated that the crime was that they were haughty and didn’t help the poor and needy. By claiming that the crime is homosexuality and not haughtiness and being inconsiderate to the needy do people not swear falsely by the Lord?
7. Leviticus 18:18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister(U) as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.” Does this not condemn Jacobs’ marriages to both Rachel and Leah?
8. Don’t worship anything or anyone except God. God is the Holy Father, our Lord. Jesus is the son of God. No, Jesus is God. Worship Jesus. The Pope represents Jesus on earth. The Pope represents God. The Pope is the Holy Father on earth representing God in heaven. And so some people bow down and serve him. So than he is a likeness to the Lord above that some people choose to worship?
9. Why would men with no real life experiences feel inclined to offer opinions to others about how to live their lives? And why would people find value in their opinions?


The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2022 10:57 pm
@JoshuaRay,
Quote:
By claiming that the crime is homosexuality and not haughtiness and being inconsiderate to the needy do people not swear falsely by the Lord?


Nope!

From the apostle Jude, a member of the household of Mary and the carpenter: Jude 7; Remember Sodom and Gomorrah, and the nearby towns, whose people acted as those angels did and indulged in sexual immorality and perversion: they suffer the punishment of eternal fire as a plain warning to all.

Archaeologists have come up with a theory that in a region just north of the Dead Sea, the towns and population in that area, may have been obliterated by a Tunguska style airburst, some 3,700 years ago.

The theory is, that some 3,700 years ago, a meteor or comet exploded over the Middle East, annihilating all human life across a wide area of land north of the Dead Sea. Archaeologists who have found evidence of the cosmic airburst, say that this event was the cause of the destruction of Sodom and its surrounding cities, leaving the land unfit to be reoccupied for 500-600 years.

Tall el Hammam, is believed by archaeologists who have recently worked on that site to be the ancient City of the biblical Sodom, excavation of that site makes this absolutely clear that it was completely destroyed by a singular event. The archaeologist Steven Collins, in his book; “Discovering the city of Sodom” claims that Tall el-Hammam is the site of the ancient city of Sodom, whose destruction is part of an important Biblical episode related to the life of patriarch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AbrahamAbraham.

Was the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah a miraculous event, or an historical event that the three men who appeared to Abraham, knew was going to happen at that point in time? Is the miracle in that story to be found in the visitation of those men?

Who were those men, who accepted Abraham’s invitation to have their feet washed, and to sit in the shade of a tree and be fed with fresh bread baked by Sarah, and the meat of a fatted calf, killed especially for them, plus cream and milk supplied by Abraham? Can spiritual beings eat and drink, and from where did they come?
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NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2022 04:58 pm
@JoshuaRay,
JoshuaRay,
Have you done any study of Ezekiel 16? If you had it would be clear to you that Ezekiel is NOT talking about the Sodom of Genesis. This Sodom obviously did not exist at the time of Ezekiel.

As far as point #7:
God did not approve of some of the actions of the Patriarchs.
Also, please note that Jacob lived BEFORE Moses (he did not know about Leviticus).
You need to increase your knowledge of the Bible.
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Mrknowspeople
 
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Reply Tue 28 Feb, 2023 09:09 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Just askin'.

My wife...
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2023 06:29 am
@Mrknowspeople,
That was my error too. Have you repented?
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vansdad
 
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Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2023 04:32 pm
For sure a Creator can exist without religion
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2023 07:23 am
@vansdad,
And often does.
vansdad
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2023 06:37 pm
@Leadfoot,
And is
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kjw47
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2023 02:19 pm
Many scientists, after discovering how that absolute precision is what makes the universe work, have concluded--intelligent design is the only way it could occur.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2023 02:29 pm
@kjw47,
Not any who are prepared to give you their names.

Many Jehovah's Witnesses believe it's actually a load of old tosh.
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2023 03:57 pm
What if all religions are correct, but there is no god? Then they're metaphors.
kjw47
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2023 04:38 pm
@coluber2001,
99% of all religion is false religion. Jesus started 1 single religion, he is only with 1. There is no division in his 1 religion-1Cor 1:10-- That means 99% claiming to be Christian religions aren't.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2023 02:47 am
@kjw47,
kjw47 wrote:

Many scientists, after discovering how that absolute precision is what makes the universe work, have concluded--intelligent design is the only way it could occur.


A few scientists may have concluded that intelligent design is the only way it could have occurred, but MANY, MANY, MANY more have not. My guess is he number who have concluded that intelligent design is the only way it could have occurred is a tiny fraction of scientists now alive.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2023 03:08 am
@Frank Apisa,
Vagueness is all they really have.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2023 07:06 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Vagueness is all they really have.


Yep!
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kjw47
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2023 03:29 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The rest aren't very intelligent then as they think they are. There is no doubt Jehovah created the universe.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2023 07:31 pm
@kjw47,
kjw47 wrote:

The rest aren't very intelligent then as they think they are. There is no doubt Jehovah created the universe.


C'mon. There is doubt about all of the blind guesses humans make about the REALITY of existence.

Lots and lots of doubt.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 2 May, 2023 12:03 am
@kjw47,
It's not as if your responses are full of sound intellectual judgement.

There's no proof of any of it, all there is is doubt.
 

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