Mon 17 May, 2004 05:39 pm
Transcript of vice-presidential debate, 2000
MR. SHAW: Senator, sexual orientation. Should a male who loves a male and a female who loves a female have all -- all the constitutional rights enjoyed by every American citizen?
SEN. LIEBERMAN: <snipped>
MR. SHAW: Mr. Secretary?
MR. CHENEY: This is a tough one, Bernie. The fact of the matter is we live in a free society, and freedom means freedom for everybody. We don't get to choose, and shouldn't be able to choose and say, "You get to live free, but you don't." And I think that means that people should be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to enter into. It's really no one else's business in terms of trying to regulate or prohibit behavior in that regard.
The next step, then, of course, is the question you ask of whether or not there ought to be some kind of official sanction, if you will, of the relationship, or if these relationships should be treated the same way a conventional marriage is. That's a tougher problem. That's not a slam dunk.
I think the fact of the matter, of course, is that matter is regulated by the states. I think different states are likely to come to different conclusions, and that's appropriate. I don't think there should necessarily be a federal policy in this area.
I try to be open-minded about it as much as I can, and tolerant of those relationships. And like Joe, I also wrestle with the extent to which there ought to be legal sanction of those relationships. I think we ought to do everything we can to tolerate and accommodate whatever kind of relationships people want to enter into.
I looked it up a propos "First Read's" quip today on:
Vice President Cheney -- who, last anyone heard, in the vice-presidential debate of 2000, staked about the same position on gay marriage as Kerry.
Keep an eye open on what he'll say this year ...? ;-)
Dickiepoo will be a good boy and tote the right wing Christian fundamentalist line per orders from the Commander in Chief Karl Rove. Gotta fatten up the masses and feed them their daily dose of sanctitiy before the election in November.
I think we ought to do everything we can to tolerate and accommodate whatever kind of relationships people want to enter into.
Does that include his lesbian daughter, Mary Cheney and her partner?
I'm sure it lead to his opinion.
Mary Cheney has an obligation to use her position to influence daddy Dick to stop using the gay community as a wedge issue in an election year. That she hasn't suggests she's no better than her father and mother.
I suppose when you're in line to inherit $100 million, all other concerns fly out the window.
Enjoy life in the closet, Mary.
To be perfectly honest, if I were in line to inherit 100 million dollars (God that's an obscene amount) I would no doubt keep my mouth shut too.
hi doglover- Sure, but as women, presumably straight (I am, and it's none of my business if you are), jsut for the sake of discussion, we have all the rights gay Americans are struggling to achieve.
So it's easy for us to say what you said.
LOL Dee...I like men way too much to be anything other than straight. I do hope gays will someday enjoy equal rights and I do my part (no matter how small, it's not insignificant) to help them achieve that goal.
hi doglover- Me too. I try and speak out positively for gay Americans every day.
For $100 million dollars, I could become gay.
doglover writes: "LOL info...I don't think 100 million dollars is enough to entice me to go down there."
Go down where, doglover? :wink: