@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:There is absolutely no basis for your claim about the purpose of the second amendment,
There is the fact that the Founding Fathers openly expressed those very concerns, and openly expressed them directly in conjunction with their calls for what became the Second Amendment.
Note this discussion in the Virginia Ratifying Convention. There was lots of concern that a tyrannical government could replace the militia with a standing army:
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_15s13.html
This same convention went on to propose a wordy version of what would later become the Second Amendment:
Quote:"17th. That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/bill_of_rightss9.html
Setanta wrote:nor your dismissal of Tucker's comment on Blackstone's commentary
I did not dismiss his comment. I merely pointed out what his comment actually said (i.e. he was only talking about the sorts of arsenals suitable for insurrection, and did not mention armaments suitable for defense against criminals).
Setanta wrote:the game laws prohibited you from keeping a firearm in your home, no matter what the purpose.
Not after the 1689 English Bill of Rights they didn't.
Rex v. Gardner (1739): "And they do not extend to prohibit a man from keeping a gun for his necessary defence, but only from making that forbidden use of it. And the word 'gun' being purposely omitted in this act, the defendant is not within the penalty."
Mallock v. Eastley (1744): "the mere having a gun was no offense within the game laws, for a man may keep a gun for the defence of his house and family."
Wingfield v. Stratford (1752): "It is not to be imagined, that it was the Intention of the Legislature, in making the 5 Ann.c.14 to disarm all the People of England. As Greyhounds, Setting Dogs ... are expressly mentioned in that Statute, it is never necessary to alledge, that any of these have been used for killing or destroying the Game; and the rather, as they can scarcely be kept for any other Purpose than to kill or destroy the Game. But as Guns are not expressly mentioned in that Statute, and as a Gun may be kept for the Defence of a Man's House, and for divers other lawful Purposes, it was necessary to alledge, in order to its being comprehended within the Meaning of the Words 'any other Engines to kill the Game', that the Gun had been used for killing the Game."
Rex v. Dewhurst (1820): "A man has a clear right to arms to protect himself in his house. A man has a clear right to protect himself when he is going singly or in a small party upon the road where he is travelling or going for the ordinary purposes of business. But I have no difficulties in saying you have no right to carry arms to a public meeting, if the number of arms which are so carried are calculated to produce terror and alarm."
It is this right that Heller was primarily based upon. If the English Common Law right does not emanate from the penumbra of the Second Amendment, then it was swept up by the Ninth Amendment instead.
Setanta wrote:The Militia Act of 1903 (the Dick Act) has already established the National Guard as the organized militia.
Having a statue declare that part of the standing army is a militia does not transform it into the militia of the Constitution.
Setanta wrote:Maybe you and your confrères could take that to the Supremes.
Sue to have the National Guard not be considered the militia, even though it is
already not considered the militia???
It would be much better to have a lawsuit focus on the bodies that actually
are considered the militia (i.e. the state guards).
I can see a lawsuit which argued that the government was violating the Second Amendment by not maintaining state guards as well-armed bodies.
If anyone wants to pay the bills, I'll go sue.
Setanta wrote:Until such time as you do, and win your case, the National Guard is the organized militia of the United States.
As part of the standing army however, it is not the militia which is mentioned in the US Constitution.
That would be the various state guards.