The Real Villains in the Bergdahl Saga

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The real villains were those who got us into, and perpetuated, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. People like Bergdahl and so many others were victims.

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We're in Afghanistan for a very good reason.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

We're in Afghanistan for a very good reason.

Please elaborate. I realize that we had to go in following 9/11 to go after al Qaida, and to punish and defeat the Taliban for its support of al Qaida. However, it was a huge mistake to stay in the country to effect regime change, something the Bush people said was not our goal. As it is, we have been in the country for 12 years at tremendous human and monetary cost. Thus, I am really curious to find out the good reason we are there.

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@Advocate,

To be close enough to Iraq that we could transfer most of our troops from Afghanistan to Iraq.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/06/03/the-real-villains-of-the-bergdahl-tale/

The real villains were those who got us into, and perpetuated,
the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. People like Bergdahl and so many others were victims.

YES. The Real Villains are THE MOSLEMS.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

It is ridiculous not to include GWB and his people as villains. There is a ton of evidence that they lied us into the horrible war with Iraq, which has been so costly to our country.

Let's be honest for once in your life.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

It is ridiculous not to include GWB and his people as villains.
There is a ton of evidence that they lied us into the horrible war
with Iraq, which has been so costly to our country.

Let's be honest for once in your life.

I was among those pounding the drum to overthrow Saddam.
As a citizen of a port city, I was concerned
that, as a homicidal maniac of long standing
with a zeal for vengeance for our ousting him from Kuwait,
he 'd float a small boat with a nuke on it n have it detonate
as it approached NY Harbor; (maybe a fleet of such little boats
directed toward multiple American port cities).

My complaint against W was that he was taking too long
to get things going. (He gave Saddam enuf time to move his WMDs to Syria.)

I choose not to condemn W for giving me WHAT I DEMANDED of him.

( I did complain of W in regard to his failure to take
reparations of war from Iraq. Oil was available n valuable. )

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What the hell are America and Britain doing in Iraq/Afgh anyway?
Oh, oil, i forgot..

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

What the hell are America and Britain doing in Iraq/Afgh anyway?
Oh, oil, i forgot..

FIGHTING THE MOSLEMS; we did not get any oil over here. Gasoline is expensive.

Did u get some oil ????

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Advocate wrote:
It is ridiculous not to include GWB and his people as villains.
There is a ton of evidence that they lied us into the horrible war
with Iraq, which has been so costly to our country.

Let's be honest for once in your life.
I was among those pounding the drum to overthrow Saddam.
As a citizen of a port city, I was concerned
that, as a homicidal maniac of long standing
with a zeal for vengeance for our ousting him from Kuwait,
he 'd float a small boat with a nuke on it n have it detonate
as it approached NY Harbor; (maybe a fleet of such little boats
directed toward multiple American port cities).

My complaint against W was that he was taking too long
to get things going. (He gave Saddam enuf time to move his WMDs to Syria.)

I choose not to condemn W for giving me WHAT I DEMANDED of him.

( I did complain of W in regard to his failure to take
reparations of war from Iraq. Oil was available n valuable. )

Bush knew full well that Saddam had neither WMD nor delivery systems for it. In the meantime, we suffered huge losses in soldiers, equipment, and treasury. Due to Iraq's militants fighting us, we had no way to get at the oil. We cannot be the gendarme for the world. We can't afford it.

Another stupidity from David.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Please elaborate. I realize that we had to go in following 9/11 to go after al Qaida, and to punish and defeat the Taliban for its support of al Qaida.

That is what I was referring to. Response to 9/11.

Advocate wrote:

However, it was a huge mistake to stay in the country to effect regime change, something the Bush people said was not our goal.

Perhaps. But what is the alternative exit strategy?

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Bush knew full well that Saddam had neither WMD nor delivery systems for it.

Actually it looks pretty likely that they did think it. Everyone else thought it as well.

Advocate wrote:

In the meantime, we suffered huge losses in soldiers, equipment, and treasury.

How does it compare to the capture of a single island in WWII? Say Tarawa or Iwo Jima?

Advocate wrote:

Due to Iraq's militants fighting us, we had no way to get at the oil.

In as much as we were thinking about oil, we were not thinking of acquiring Iraqi oil for ourselves. The primary "oil concern" was to prevent Saddam from once again trying to conquer Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. A secondary concern was a desire that Iraq sell more of their own oil on the open market (not necessarily to us, just on the global market). Iraq has now started to do just that.

Advocate wrote:

We cannot be the gendarme for the world. We can't afford it.

I don't think we can afford not to be.

But perhaps we could ask some of our allies to contribute more to maintaining world order.

I wouldn't mind seeing a coalition of the US, UK, Israel, Japan, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand in charge of keeping the global peace.

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@Advocate,

I don't pretend to know it all, but I can't really think of a good reason why we are still there. The reasons to stay will be the same reasons no matter how long we stay. In the meanwhile, more and more people from both sides (innocents from Afghan side too)keep getting killed, we are not helping their country in any way and we really can't and never could. I don't know why it takes so long to "wind down" the war in Afghanistan.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Advocate wrote:
Please elaborate. I realize that we had to go in following 9/11 to go after al Qaida, and to punish and defeat the Taliban for its support of al Qaida.

That is what I was referring to. Response to 9/11.

Advocate wrote:
However, it was a huge mistake to stay in the country to effect regime change, something the Bush people said was not our goal.

Perhaps. But what is the alternative exit strategy?

We certainly didn't have to stay in Afghan. for 12 years. We quickly defeated al Qaida and the Taliban, at which point we should have pulled out of the country. We didn't have to stay until the vanquished people drive us out. Do you remember Nam?

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@Advocate,

Bergdahl is going to be charged with desertion. It's about time they announced what most of us knew 2 weeks after he was released. When your battle buddies come out against you, you knew you have fucked up.

Lets hope he actually see's some jail time.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/25/bergdahl-desertion/70437482/

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Lets hope he actually see's some jail time.

If we put Bergdahl in jail, do we regain the five Taliban commanders that the Obama Administration freed to get him released?

Rhetorical question..... sigh.

At least things are going well in Israel.

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@oralloy,

Oh, that! I guess it doesn't sound like such a great deal in hindsight.

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@roger,

Obama knew it wasn't a good deal when it was made. It's the primary reason why he didn't consult Congress on the exchange. It's why he had Susan Rice on tv claiming that Bergdahl served with honor and distinction, they were hoping to get in front of the story and control the narrative. They didn't expect Bergdahl's battle buddies to tell the contact the media to tell the truth of this story. With the charges that have leveled at Bergdahl, it sounds like they could have announced this several months ago, like before the elections. I wonder how long until we find out there was pressure from the WH to delay the charges.

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