All atheists and theists are agnostics?

So basically, after sneering at me for dredging up old posts (which was not true), you are going to defend yourself with a vague accusation about my behavior in the past. As i said, you're a liar and a hypocrite. Get over it.

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@Cyracuz,

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The core of my objection to the definition of atheism as "the lack of belief in god or gods" is that according to that definition every single human being is either a theist or an atheist. That is simply not the case, and so the definition is flawed.

By that line of reasoning...among the so-called weak atheists...

...every child born...every toddler...is an atheist.

All because some atheists do not have the guts to defend their "beliefs."

Kinda sad.

Luckily, there are real atheists out there.

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@Setanta,

Oh I am over it. You can call me names all day. It means nothing to me.

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@Frank Apisa,

I maintain that an atheist is a person who thinks there are no gods.
Toddlers and children who haven't learned these concepts aren't atheists.

To include anyone who doesn't believe in god or gods in the term 'atheist' is to use it like a theist would.

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@Cyracuz,

I could already tell that calling people names is nothing to you, you do it so casually, and for no reason.

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@Setanta,

It's not name calling, Set. If you can't see the difference between holding the belief that there are no gods and not giving a **** about it either way your powers of comprehension are weak.

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@Cyracuz,

Cyracuz wrote:

I maintain that an atheist is a person who thinks there are no gods.
Toddlers and children who haven't learned these concepts aren't atheists.

To include anyone who doesn't believe in god or gods in the term 'atheist' is to use it like a theist would.

That is what I am saying, Cyracuz. I hope you understand that.

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@Frank Apisa,

Yes, I understood that.

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I understand that some people, perhaps even most people, think of atheism as simply the lack of theism. I wonder if these people know that there exists organizations devoted to their denial of gods and embracing the same ideals under secular motives. To me it smells like semantics. Rename things, slap some modern labels on outdated concepts, and out comes the same deluded notions only dressed in secular words.

A person who has divorced himself entirely from the concept of gods, and feels no desire to either embrace or reject the concept, has gone beyond both theism and atheism.

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@Cyracuz,

what do you mean by 'gods'?

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@kiuku,

I don't know what a god is. I know plenty of people are eager to tell me what they think it is, and there would probably be as many different explanations as there are people. So I am not a theist, because I have no belief in any of the explanations served up by religion as to what god is.

I'm not an atheist either, because I think that even though none of the religions have an idea of god I can believe in, that is not to say that there is no cosmic intelligence behind the phenomenon we call reality. I don't know. We might meaningfully speak of such a thing for philosophical purposes, and whether or not it truly exists is completely irrelevant.

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@Cyracuz,

Everybody has their own subjective beliefs about gods or no gods - and everything in between.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Everybody has their own subjective beliefs about gods or no gods - and everything in between.

How do you know what "everybody" has?

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@Frank Apisa,

Ask them. LOL Do you understand the meaning of a 'rhetorical statement?'

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What puzzles me in all the arguing over atheists is why people want to tell atheists what they think and are doing with their lives. I go to work, come home, sleep, eat, entertain myself, same as everybody else. Then I have to constantly read how I am part of a religion of atheism? To me, theists and agnostics are theists. Atheists are not.

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@Cyracuz,

Once again, you cannot accept that someone does not think like you without resorting to insults. You really seem incapable of seeing what you're doing.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Ask them. LOL Do you understand the meaning of a 'rhetorical statement?'

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So you have asked "everybody???"

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@Setanta,

I do seem to have a knack for fooling myself. But I don't think that's what I am doing now.
Do you agree that there is a difference between asserting that there are no gods and saying "I have no opinion on the matter"?

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@Cyracuz,

ok somebody who tells you please answer me then, what is the definition of god that people are using. that might help. Otherwise I don't see the perpetual argument; it's basically as I understand it an theoretical atheist refuses to even acknowledge a definition of god, meanwhile someone insists gods are real. So someone tell me the definition of god.

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@kiuku,

There is no single definition of god. That is why wicked men can so easily use the concept to manipulate others. If the concept was clearly defined such a thing would not be possible, and it would hold far less power.

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